The Wattage Thread
Discussion
okgo said:
If you mean as a peak figure, then yes, standing up would help HUGELY and no 1048 isn't anything interesting in normal circumstances, but doing it seated is pretty decent, so you'll probably have much more to give when you're putting your full weight into it 
Thank you - went back today to have another go. Best I could do was 1067 seated - standing I just couldn't get enough purchase/resistance on the pedals to push properly.The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
Don1 said:
Thank you - went back today to have another go. Best I could do was 1067 seated - standing I just couldn't get enough purchase/resistance on the pedals to push properly.
The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
IIRC it's around 1250w for 20s, maybe 1400w for 5s. As a benchmark in pure power terms you need to look at Greipel, Bennati or Hushovd, Cavendish has always gone very quickly as he is good at getting into position and is very aggressive with his positioning on the bike, that's my take on it anyway. Besides any half decent rider will push 1000-1200w in a sprint peak, probably not quite so many however will do that after a stage
Greipel...
the internet said:
His data shows he churned out 391W for 20 minutes as he chased down the leaders at the 155km mark of the race. Leading the race up the Koppenberg, he averaged 501W for 2-22, turning the pedals at 68rpm.
Then, when he reached the finish line (crossing the line in 28th place), he set his peak two-second power value, cranking out a huge 1613W, which equates to 19.4w/kg.
Screen Shot 2016-04-08 at 11.49.42
According to Alexander Kristoff’s trainer Soren Orn, the Katusha rider put out 1200W in his sprint for fourth place and averaged over 460W for well over an hour during the race.
But perhaps the most impressive statistic of them all, though, is that Greipel rode at 89 per cent of his one-hour max for over six hours in the race.
Then, when he reached the finish line (crossing the line in 28th place), he set his peak two-second power value, cranking out a huge 1613W, which equates to 19.4w/kg.
Screen Shot 2016-04-08 at 11.49.42
According to Alexander Kristoff’s trainer Soren Orn, the Katusha rider put out 1200W in his sprint for fourth place and averaged over 460W for well over an hour during the race.
But perhaps the most impressive statistic of them all, though, is that Greipel rode at 89 per cent of his one-hour max for over six hours in the race.
Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 13th April 12:56
Yeh the pro numbers in sprints are always 'fairly' normal in a very good amateur sense, until you work in the fact they've been riding for half a day beforehand - I think my best peak is very close to 1630 also, but I don't think it was in a race.
Been doing more riding of recent weeks due to not working, seems it gets you quite fit, managing a lot of strong numbers without going totally into the red, 455w for over 6 mins today, felt fairly alright, and was about the fastest I've ever done Boxhill also. All this on legs that felt a bit heavy when I started off, weird.
Been doing more riding of recent weeks due to not working, seems it gets you quite fit, managing a lot of strong numbers without going totally into the red, 455w for over 6 mins today, felt fairly alright, and was about the fastest I've ever done Boxhill also. All this on legs that felt a bit heavy when I started off, weird.
SoliD said:
Be interested to see how my club boys (Fareham Wheelers) go against you on Saturday!
If I don't go under 50 then something will have gone wrong! Main competition will be Mr Dewey, not sure I can beat him all that easily now he's got his position sorted out, I'll give it a good go mind. James Copeland from your lot is quite quick I think. Should be a good one.
Edited by okgo on Wednesday 13th April 17:58
okgo said:
If I don't go under 50 then something will have gone wrong!
Main competition will be Mr Dewey, not sure I can beat him all that easily now he's got his position sorted out, I'll give it a good go mind. James Copeland from your lot is quite quick I think. Should be a good one.
Yeah definitely, they'll be up there but not that close I suspect. Main competition will be Mr Dewey, not sure I can beat him all that easily now he's got his position sorted out, I'll give it a good go mind. James Copeland from your lot is quite quick I think. Should be a good one.
Edited by okgo on Wednesday 13th April 17:58
yonex said:
Don1 said:
Thank you - went back today to have another go. Best I could do was 1067 seated - standing I just couldn't get enough purchase/resistance on the pedals to push properly.
The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
IIRC it's around 1250w for 20s, maybe 1400w for 5s. As a benchmark in pure power terms you need to look at Greipel, Bennati or Hushovd, Cavendish has always gone very quickly as he is good at getting into position and is very aggressive with his positioning on the bike, that's my take on it anyway. Besides any half decent rider will push 1000-1200w in a sprint peak, probably not quite so many however will do that after a stage
Greipel...
the internet said:
His data shows he churned out 391W for 20 minutes as he chased down the leaders at the 155km mark of the race. Leading the race up the Koppenberg, he averaged 501W for 2-22, turning the pedals at 68rpm.
Then, when he reached the finish line (crossing the line in 28th place), he set his peak two-second power value, cranking out a huge 1613W, which equates to 19.4w/kg.
Screen Shot 2016-04-08 at 11.49.42
According to Alexander Kristoff’s trainer Soren Orn, the Katusha rider put out 1200W in his sprint for fourth place and averaged over 460W for well over an hour during the race.
But perhaps the most impressive statistic of them all, though, is that Greipel rode at 89 per cent of his one-hour max for over six hours in the race.
Then, when he reached the finish line (crossing the line in 28th place), he set his peak two-second power value, cranking out a huge 1613W, which equates to 19.4w/kg.
Screen Shot 2016-04-08 at 11.49.42
According to Alexander Kristoff’s trainer Soren Orn, the Katusha rider put out 1200W in his sprint for fourth place and averaged over 460W for well over an hour during the race.
But perhaps the most impressive statistic of them all, though, is that Greipel rode at 89 per cent of his one-hour max for over six hours in the race.
Edited by yonex on Wednesday 13th April 12:56
Where did you get that shot from? Over 500tss
E65Ross said:
yonex said:
Don1 said:
Thank you - went back today to have another go. Best I could do was 1067 seated - standing I just couldn't get enough purchase/resistance on the pedals to push properly.
The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
The guy who won it yesterday pushed 1428 or so - they are claiming Cav pushes 1500, so a reasonable effort from a civilian!
IIRC it's around 1250w for 20s, maybe 1400w for 5s. As a benchmark in pure power terms you need to look at Greipel, Bennati or Hushovd, Cavendish has always gone very quickly as he is good at getting into position and is very aggressive with his positioning on the bike, that's my take on it anyway. Besides any half decent rider will push 1000-1200w in a sprint peak, probably not quite so many however will do that after a stage
Greipel...
the internet said:
His data shows he churned out 391W for 20 minutes as he chased down the leaders at the 155km mark of the race. Leading the race up the Koppenberg, he averaged 501W for 2-22, turning the pedals at 68rpm.
Then, when he reached the finish line (crossing the line in 28th place), he set his peak two-second power value, cranking out a huge 1613W, which equates to 19.4w/kg.
Screen Shot 2016-04-08 at 11.49.42
According to Alexander Kristoff’s trainer Soren Orn, the Katusha rider put out 1200W in his sprint for fourth place and averaged over 460W for well over an hour during the race.
But perhaps the most impressive statistic of them all, though, is that Greipel rode at 89 per cent of his one-hour max for over six hours in the race.
Then, when he reached the finish line (crossing the line in 28th place), he set his peak two-second power value, cranking out a huge 1613W, which equates to 19.4w/kg.
Screen Shot 2016-04-08 at 11.49.42
According to Alexander Kristoff’s trainer Soren Orn, the Katusha rider put out 1200W in his sprint for fourth place and averaged over 460W for well over an hour during the race.
But perhaps the most impressive statistic of them all, though, is that Greipel rode at 89 per cent of his one-hour max for over six hours in the race.
Edited by yonex on Wednesday 13th April 12:56
Where did you get that shot from? Over 500tss
here's my TP report to compare with Grieples.
Tonights TT is an example of why measuring power is important.
Last Year 23:52 - 270W Average Power 274W Normalised
Tonight 25:29 - 269W Average Power 275W Normalised
The weather tonight was absolutely grim, raining, windy, cold, quite a technical course in places, so times where I'd be putting out some good power in the dry, I was almost freewheeling.
Last Year 23:52 - 270W Average Power 274W Normalised
Tonight 25:29 - 269W Average Power 275W Normalised
The weather tonight was absolutely grim, raining, windy, cold, quite a technical course in places, so times where I'd be putting out some good power in the dry, I was almost freewheeling.
SoliD said:
Tonights TT is an example of why measuring power is important.
Last Year 23:52 - 270W Average Power 274W Normalised
Tonight 25:29 - 269W Average Power 275W Normalised
The weather tonight was absolutely grim, raining, windy, cold, quite a technical course in places, so times where I'd be putting out some good power in the dry, I was almost freewheeling.
Well done. That's arguably progress.... Holding the same watts but for a longer period of time. Last Year 23:52 - 270W Average Power 274W Normalised
Tonight 25:29 - 269W Average Power 275W Normalised
The weather tonight was absolutely grim, raining, windy, cold, quite a technical course in places, so times where I'd be putting out some good power in the dry, I was almost freewheeling.
SoliD said:
Be interested to see how my club boys (Fareham Wheelers) go against you on Saturday!
Think James was the quickest of your club? Managed 370W for 49.35 which was a power pb by about 10w and netted me a time I shouldn't really moan about given the s
te weather, still managed to get beaten by Dewey, but I have a few things to change which should get me close.Did another FTP test this morning, and I know my numbers are tiny compared to you guys, I am also a smaller person 
Last test was done at the end of January and my 20min average was 230W and I was pretty done for after that. After 6 weeks or so of training I manually increased my FTP by 1% (from 219W to 221W) as workouts didn't seem as hard as they should. Today my 20min average was 241W, so an FTP of 229W, and being only 53.5kgs that's 4.28W/kg.
I've been working ruddy hard since September and it's really paying off. I would love to get my 20min average up to 250W later in the year.
Last test was done at the end of January and my 20min average was 230W and I was pretty done for after that. After 6 weeks or so of training I manually increased my FTP by 1% (from 219W to 221W) as workouts didn't seem as hard as they should. Today my 20min average was 241W, so an FTP of 229W, and being only 53.5kgs that's 4.28W/kg.
I've been working ruddy hard since September and it's really paying off. I would love to get my 20min average up to 250W later in the year.
Pretty good going, that!
Be wary of increases like 1%, they're just too small. IMO I'd only ever increase FTP by 10W, anything below that is just noise and form on a given day really.
That chap in our club who is 45kg did 270W for 20 mins the other day, which is 6 w/kg, crazy. He's starting to give it some effort up the local hills now and predictably is going up them rather quickly.
Be wary of increases like 1%, they're just too small. IMO I'd only ever increase FTP by 10W, anything below that is just noise and form on a given day really.
That chap in our club who is 45kg did 270W for 20 mins the other day, which is 6 w/kg, crazy. He's starting to give it some effort up the local hills now and predictably is going up them rather quickly.
okgo said:
Pretty good going, that!
Be wary of increases like 1%, they're just too small. IMO I'd only ever increase FTP by 10W, anything below that is just noise and form on a given day really.
That chap in our club who is 45kg did 270W for 20 mins the other day, which is 6 w/kg, crazy. He's starting to give it some effort up the local hills now and predictably is going up them rather quickly.
Cheers okgo. The main reason I upped it 1% was just to make workouts that little bit harder before I got a more up to date FTP value. Be wary of increases like 1%, they're just too small. IMO I'd only ever increase FTP by 10W, anything below that is just noise and form on a given day really.
That chap in our club who is 45kg did 270W for 20 mins the other day, which is 6 w/kg, crazy. He's starting to give it some effort up the local hills now and predictably is going up them rather quickly.
I was pretty broken after that test today..... But I did do Sufferfest "do as you're told" afterwards though which had me cursing, especially at the end! Had to really work for it!!
okgo said:
Pretty good going, that!
Be wary of increases like 1%, they're just too small. IMO I'd only ever increase FTP by 10W, anything below that is just noise and form on a given day really.
That chap in our club who is 45kg did 270W for 20 mins the other day, which is 6 w/kg, crazy. He's starting to give it some effort up the local hills now and predictably is going up them rather quickly.
That is bloody skinny unless he is 4ft. Be wary of increases like 1%, they're just too small. IMO I'd only ever increase FTP by 10W, anything below that is just noise and form on a given day really.
That chap in our club who is 45kg did 270W for 20 mins the other day, which is 6 w/kg, crazy. He's starting to give it some effort up the local hills now and predictably is going up them rather quickly.
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