The Wattage Thread
Discussion
Grandfondo said:
okgo said:
Not sure how that's relevant to this thread.
Wiggins could ride 2 hours a week and still smash most people to bits that doesn't mean doing 2 hours a week is the right thing for other people to do.
The relevance is that you said that you needed accurate power numbers when one of the best TT riders says all you need is a device to measure distance on your turbo and the further you can go in a set time shows all the improvement that's needed.Wiggins could ride 2 hours a week and still smash most people to bits that doesn't mean doing 2 hours a week is the right thing for other people to do.
Sorry for the thread derail.
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 26th February 08:40
, from the above, and only my opinion you're closer/at 275 or so.okgo said:
For me its vital, there is no way to predict performance in time trials, and aero improvements (as refernced on the last page) without accurate power numbers. So as I mentioned based on my current drag to go top ten in nationals I know I need to be producing around 380w, there would be no way of knowing this with crap data from a turbo. (obviously you need to have a handle on what other riders are doing, which I do).
Plus every time I go and ride outside, I want my zones, I don't want to have to be on a turbo to know what (wrong) power I am producing. And all the wattage charts to show you where you are performance wise are based on accurate numbers, not make believe from a turbo.
Good work fella. This must push you through the 3w/kg barrier doesn't it? Plus every time I go and ride outside, I want my zones, I don't want to have to be on a turbo to know what (wrong) power I am producing. And all the wattage charts to show you where you are performance wise are based on accurate numbers, not make believe from a turbo.
superkartracer said:
Grandfondo said:
okgo said:
Not sure how that's relevant to this thread.
Wiggins could ride 2 hours a week and still smash most people to bits that doesn't mean doing 2 hours a week is the right thing for other people to do.
The relevance is that you said that you needed accurate power numbers when one of the best TT riders says all you need is a device to measure distance on your turbo and the further you can go in a set time shows all the improvement that's needed.Wiggins could ride 2 hours a week and still smash most people to bits that doesn't mean doing 2 hours a week is the right thing for other people to do.
Sorry for the thread derail.
Edited by superkartracer on Wednesday 26th February 08:40
Ok, Rubber Glove complete. I feel sick, and have done for the last two hours.
My results are meaningless for now, I'll need to compare to my next test really. I was holding steady up to 15 minutes, then dropped about 10w and really struggled with that, so wasn't a wholly consistent output. My HR continued to ride however.
I recorded using my Garmin 510 and the power tap and uploaded to Garmin connect and Strava - they gave massively different results for the hour, but the same for the 20 minute session. Any ideas why that would be?
What software / internet sites do people do use to analyse their data?
My results are meaningless for now, I'll need to compare to my next test really. I was holding steady up to 15 minutes, then dropped about 10w and really struggled with that, so wasn't a wholly consistent output. My HR continued to ride however.
I recorded using my Garmin 510 and the power tap and uploaded to Garmin connect and Strava - they gave massively different results for the hour, but the same for the 20 minute session. Any ideas why that would be?
What software / internet sites do people do use to analyse their data?
nammynake said:
I've only just started training with power on my turbo, but I generally just upload to strava as a 'workout' session.
No problems so far and the power recordings match those I set on the turbo ( Wahoo Kickr ).
Interesting. Strava and Garmin have a difference of 43w in the average measurement. But their normalised powers are pretty much the same. No problems so far and the power recordings match those I set on the turbo ( Wahoo Kickr ).
I think it proved, lile yonex, that I actually get better results on the road as my ride at the weekend was at a lower RPE but gave as good power results.
Fourmotion said:
Interesting. Strava and Garmin have a difference of 43w in the average measurement. But their normalised powers are pretty much the same.
I think it proved, lile yonex, that I actually get better results on the road as my ride at the weekend was at a lower RPE but gave as good power results.
Lot's of riders have a big difference between turbo/road, hours and hours of turbo narrows/eliminates the gap though. I use WKO+, Strava have tried to rip this off (along with Training Peaks) but it's still the best thing I have found. Golden Cheetah is worth looking at (it's free) but I found it to be a poor relation to TP.I think it proved, lile yonex, that I actually get better results on the road as my ride at the weekend was at a lower RPE but gave as good power results.
For what duration?
If you can do 5 mins out of the saddle at full pace then you're better than most
I think you'd expect standing to be higher numbers wise right up to 30 or so seconds, and you may find that your best 1 minute was started with a standing sprint and then you nailed it in the saddle...
Regards 5 secs max power yes, mine seated is likely around 400w less than standing.
If you can do 5 mins out of the saddle at full pace then you're better than most
I think you'd expect standing to be higher numbers wise right up to 30 or so seconds, and you may find that your best 1 minute was started with a standing sprint and then you nailed it in the saddle...
Regards 5 secs max power yes, mine seated is likely around 400w less than standing.
okgo said:
For what duration?
If you can do 5 mins out of the saddle at full pace then you're better than most
I think you'd expect standing to be higher numbers wise right up to 30 or so seconds, and you may find that your best 1 minute was started with a standing sprint and then you nailed it in the saddle...
Regards 5 secs max power yes, mine seated is likely around 400w less than standing.
Peak power in max sprinting on repeat 30 second seated Wingates. I haven't seen the full power curves from the tests yet, but I've been told that it tops out just under 1100w, probably only for a few seconds before falling away over the remainder of the 30 secs. If you can do 5 mins out of the saddle at full pace then you're better than most
I think you'd expect standing to be higher numbers wise right up to 30 or so seconds, and you may find that your best 1 minute was started with a standing sprint and then you nailed it in the saddle...
Regards 5 secs max power yes, mine seated is likely around 400w less than standing.
I was pretty disappointed with that figure, but it was seated on a Monark (truly horrid thing) with fixed weight resistance (% of body weight) rather than being at a cadence/resistance of my choice. Peak power was at 157rpm, so I'm not sure how I could have scored any better to be fair! Maybe it's not as bad as I thought.
Other stats so far are a peak V02 max score of 68, which should bump up to just over 70 when I am back at race weight (74kg currently, I'll be around 70kg during the summer). That sounded quite promising to me (bearing in mind I'm 38), although I guess it doesn't mean anything in isolation.
MAP knocks in at around 410w.
First race of the season up at Darley Moor tomorrow...
First TT of the year, held FTP but felt weak throughout. Lost 20s to my target main but 8/109 overall, pretty pleased with that really. Into aerobic intervals now and finding that the 1 min 'hard' efforts from last year are less of a problem, these are now 4-5min intervals so either I wasn't trying before or I am improving. 20w off of my max FTP from last July!!
The hardest thing is ignoring your head. When I am pushing into new territory I have my doubts I can hold it, but it just happens. Having said that I have never had (good) pain like it.
The hardest thing is ignoring your head. When I am pushing into new territory I have my doubts I can hold it, but it just happens. Having said that I have never had (good) pain like it.
Right, firstly, please don't rip me apart and tell me how s
t I am, I am well aware ( I think ) now of my place in Pedal Powered and hope this has come across of late. It's a learning curve, what can I say, I have always been hands up to that.
Anyway, I had my second watt test with my "coach" (unpaid at the moment as he is building a reputation having retired from the city). Just a little bit of input from someone in the know, and for me a totally new aspect to riding as I have never done anything other than go out for a ride until this year where I am starting some structured training.
The test was on a Ketter Ergo Wattbike hooked up to HR monitor and a laptop that reads cadence, power from the bike and HR. I had my first test in Jan, and this week did this test which was the second test for me with the coach, but first test on this current setup with the new software.
I did ask, okgo, about calibration, and as we suspected, it has not been calibrated of late, however all I can say is that he trains some very good local athletes and has ridden / raced for 35 years, and between him and them the feeling is that the bike is fairly accurate although there is an acceptance that it is not scientific and / or a dead accurate measurement.
I will just copy the brief result from his initial email, my training plan is to follow.
The main points from yesterday’s test -
wVO2Max = 370 w (up from 348w)
HR 89 – 183 BPM
Ignore the lower as you had already been warming up for a while before I got the technology working.
The higher number being lower than previously could mean you did not work as hard or it could mean that your HR was naturally depressed.
Unfortunately that is the nature of HR monitoring which is why I recommend people use Power monitoring
Cadence 106 – 138 RPM
The bulk 5 mins 30 secs then a 30 sec sprint up to 138
You tailed off in the last 5 secs
Power 357 – 495 Watts
A very good test.
0 – 3 mins 360 w
3 – 5.20 mins drifting up to 376
5.20 – 5.55 mins a sprint ramp up to 495 w
Ideally the wattage level should pretty much flatline where you are barely able to maintain towards the end.
However this was a far better set up than the previous test so next time I will have you !
When I have worked out how to send the chart I will do so.
At 75 kg you p/kg is a very good at 4.68
Your previous p/kg was 4.125 ( but you were recorded at 5 kg heavier)
This indicates both an improvement in actual p/kg and an improvement in power out put.
Now, I know I am just a casual rider, but wanted to post this as I will come back each time with my new results to see how I am doing and gather opinion.
I guessed my weight in Jan at 82 kg, I weighed myself since in Feb at 75kg hence the change in my body weight. It is only early March and knowing how things go with me my body weight will decrease peaking in a minumum weight at around August. I have no idea what that will be but I would guess around the 70kg mark.
t I am, I am well aware ( I think ) now of my place in Pedal Powered and hope this has come across of late. It's a learning curve, what can I say, I have always been hands up to that.Anyway, I had my second watt test with my "coach" (unpaid at the moment as he is building a reputation having retired from the city). Just a little bit of input from someone in the know, and for me a totally new aspect to riding as I have never done anything other than go out for a ride until this year where I am starting some structured training.
The test was on a Ketter Ergo Wattbike hooked up to HR monitor and a laptop that reads cadence, power from the bike and HR. I had my first test in Jan, and this week did this test which was the second test for me with the coach, but first test on this current setup with the new software.
I did ask, okgo, about calibration, and as we suspected, it has not been calibrated of late, however all I can say is that he trains some very good local athletes and has ridden / raced for 35 years, and between him and them the feeling is that the bike is fairly accurate although there is an acceptance that it is not scientific and / or a dead accurate measurement.
I will just copy the brief result from his initial email, my training plan is to follow.
The main points from yesterday’s test -
wVO2Max = 370 w (up from 348w)
HR 89 – 183 BPM
Ignore the lower as you had already been warming up for a while before I got the technology working.
The higher number being lower than previously could mean you did not work as hard or it could mean that your HR was naturally depressed.
Unfortunately that is the nature of HR monitoring which is why I recommend people use Power monitoring
Cadence 106 – 138 RPM
The bulk 5 mins 30 secs then a 30 sec sprint up to 138
You tailed off in the last 5 secs
Power 357 – 495 Watts
A very good test.
0 – 3 mins 360 w
3 – 5.20 mins drifting up to 376
5.20 – 5.55 mins a sprint ramp up to 495 w
Ideally the wattage level should pretty much flatline where you are barely able to maintain towards the end.
However this was a far better set up than the previous test so next time I will have you !
When I have worked out how to send the chart I will do so.
At 75 kg you p/kg is a very good at 4.68
Your previous p/kg was 4.125 ( but you were recorded at 5 kg heavier)
This indicates both an improvement in actual p/kg and an improvement in power out put.
Now, I know I am just a casual rider, but wanted to post this as I will come back each time with my new results to see how I am doing and gather opinion.
I guessed my weight in Jan at 82 kg, I weighed myself since in Feb at 75kg hence the change in my body weight. It is only early March and knowing how things go with me my body weight will decrease peaking in a minumum weight at around August. I have no idea what that will be but I would guess around the 70kg mark.
Edited by Dizeee on Friday 7th March 20:24
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