The Wattage Thread
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okgo said:
In the UK I know what I'd rather have, and its more power.
The UK is larger than just London and SE England 
It does seem that the vast majority of events here are biassed towards more powerful riders though.
There are not that many races that finish on a significant mountain. That said, you would really struggle to win a National Champs RR if you can't climb.
All top riders climb alright though, at elite/1 level.
Cav won it, and his figures are out there if you want to find them. They're alright.
Typically the real long climbs don't feature much here. I recently did a stage race that had a 4 mile climb which was a good 16 mins or so, I wasn't driving it at the front granted (jack pullar was I think) but I could keep in touch with front group just by force.
Cav won it, and his figures are out there if you want to find them. They're alright.
Typically the real long climbs don't feature much here. I recently did a stage race that had a 4 mile climb which was a good 16 mins or so, I wasn't driving it at the front granted (jack pullar was I think) but I could keep in touch with front group just by force.
okgo said:
All top riders climb alright though, at elite/1 level.
Cav won it, and his figures are out there if you want to find them. They're alright.
Typically the real long climbs don't feature much here. I recently did a stage race that had a 4 mile climb which was a good 16 mins or so, I wasn't driving it at the front granted (jack pullar was I think) but I could keep in touch with front group just by force.
I would strongly disagree with that. There are many riders who have moved to E/1 just through crit racing and when it comes to lots of climbing, they are out the door.Cav won it, and his figures are out there if you want to find them. They're alright.
Typically the real long climbs don't feature much here. I recently did a stage race that had a 4 mile climb which was a good 16 mins or so, I wasn't driving it at the front granted (jack pullar was I think) but I could keep in touch with front group just by force.
Cav is different to your average E/1 rider. He can outclimb most riders/racers in the UK. It's when it gets to an international level that he isn't deemed to be "a climber". I have no idea what his numbers are, but I would guess >6 w/kg FTP.
matt-ITR said:
okgo said:
All top riders climb alright though, at elite/1 level.
Cav won it, and his figures are out there if you want to find them. They're alright.
Typically the real long climbs don't feature much here. I recently did a stage race that had a 4 mile climb which was a good 16 mins or so, I wasn't driving it at the front granted (jack pullar was I think) but I could keep in touch with front group just by force.
I would strongly disagree with that. There are many riders who have moved to E/1 just through crit racing and when it comes to lots of climbing, they are out the door.Cav won it, and his figures are out there if you want to find them. They're alright.
Typically the real long climbs don't feature much here. I recently did a stage race that had a 4 mile climb which was a good 16 mins or so, I wasn't driving it at the front granted (jack pullar was I think) but I could keep in touch with front group just by force.
Cav is different to your average E/1 rider. He can outclimb most riders/racers in the UK. It's when it gets to an international level that he isn't deemed to be "a climber". I have no idea what his numbers are, but I would guess >6 w/kg FTP.
I watched Cav climb the Ryals in the 2011 (??) National Champs. I know the climb well. Three ramps of up to 20%. He was sat on the front of the bunch in the saddle absolutely motoring. Loads of the UK guys were absolutely hanging out the back. matt-ITR said:
I would strongly disagree with that. There are many riders who have moved to E/1 just through crit racing and when it comes to lots of climbing, they are out the door.
Cav is different to your average E/1 rider. He can outclimb most riders/racers in the UK. It's when it gets to an international level that he isn't deemed to be "a climber". I have no idea what his numbers are, but I would guess >6 w/kg FTP.
Yes. I meant anyone contending the nationals from sky etc is going to be a better climber than most. Cav is different to your average E/1 rider. He can outclimb most riders/racers in the UK. It's when it gets to an international level that he isn't deemed to be "a climber". I have no idea what his numbers are, but I would guess >6 w/kg FTP.
No, nowhere near 6 w/kg.
It was only through extensive training he got his 5 min power over 450w which wiggins could do for an hour at about the same weight as Cav (they were almost same weight when brad was at tour)
Looking for an answer to this puzzler. It's a genuine question because I'm trying to work out my true FTP but I'm performing differently on road to turbo. I'm sorry if it's been done before, but I'm interested in other peoples solutions.
Here's the issue, I have a power meter on my bike, crank based ,it seems pretty consistent , if I go out on the road I can ride at certain power levels. I have done 4 min efforts at ave power 415w,( 5 reps) heart rate 172 I've done 20 min efforts , ave power 317w heart rate 167 (3reps) .
So I bolt the bike into my turbo, it's a cyclops silencer direct drive. Warm up , going for my 5 reps at 400w,. Nope, I'm Looking at 380w and my hr at the end of the second rep is 180. If I do a 20 min effort, I'm looking at 320w ave for 1 20 min, no way I could do 2 more at that power.
Now I've done this a few times and the difference is pretty consistent , so I'm confident I'm not more/ less tiered, dehydrated, too hot, too cold.
So anybody else suffer this? Is there an explanation?
It's like I need 2 sets of results, one for turbo training, 1 for riding out on road.
Here's the issue, I have a power meter on my bike, crank based ,it seems pretty consistent , if I go out on the road I can ride at certain power levels. I have done 4 min efforts at ave power 415w,( 5 reps) heart rate 172 I've done 20 min efforts , ave power 317w heart rate 167 (3reps) .
So I bolt the bike into my turbo, it's a cyclops silencer direct drive. Warm up , going for my 5 reps at 400w,. Nope, I'm Looking at 380w and my hr at the end of the second rep is 180. If I do a 20 min effort, I'm looking at 320w ave for 1 20 min, no way I could do 2 more at that power.
Now I've done this a few times and the difference is pretty consistent , so I'm confident I'm not more/ less tiered, dehydrated, too hot, too cold.
So anybody else suffer this? Is there an explanation?
It's like I need 2 sets of results, one for turbo training, 1 for riding out on road.
Edited by RGambo on Saturday 10th May 19:05
matt-ITR said:
Anyone using a Stages power meter? Any thoughts/comments on reliability especially in the wet and battery life?
I'm using one - it's on the original battery after 3 months and has had no issues with being ridden in the wet. It's on my commuting/winter bike and has had a couple of soakings so far.I think both these issues were limited to the first batch that came into the UK.
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