The Wattage Thread
Discussion
okgo said:
Lots at Hog Hill though, which should suit a light guy with a decent 1 minute given the finish.
And w/kg doesn't matter a damn when there is a flat finish, power trumps weight on the flat.
Lots of racing at Hog Hill? Not many results that I can see.And w/kg doesn't matter a damn when there is a flat finish, power trumps weight on the flat.
Agree doesn't matter so much in a flat finish.
It is easy to forget, you're right.
I don't often ride with the rest of the club anymore because of that very fact, one mans threshold is another mans tempo. Some 3rd cats went out last night and did the same chaingang route we do, I do it in about an hour with anything from 300-330w, the third cat guys were in the mid 200's, the gap is huge.
I don't often ride with the rest of the club anymore because of that very fact, one mans threshold is another mans tempo. Some 3rd cats went out last night and did the same chaingang route we do, I do it in about an hour with anything from 300-330w, the third cat guys were in the mid 200's, the gap is huge.
okgo said:
It is easy to forget, you're right.
I don't often ride with the rest of the club anymore because of that very fact, one mans threshold is another mans tempo. Some 3rd cats went out last night and did the same chaingang route we do, I do it in about an hour with anything from 300-330w, the third cat guys were in the mid 200's, the gap is huge.
Why not go with them and sit on the front for the duration, if they are averaging 250 when sitting in for the majority of the time, then they should be able to sit in your slip stream if you are in the 300's. I don't often ride with the rest of the club anymore because of that very fact, one mans threshold is another mans tempo. Some 3rd cats went out last night and did the same chaingang route we do, I do it in about an hour with anything from 300-330w, the third cat guys were in the mid 200's, the gap is huge.
That way its a win win for you all.
Would help bring them on and its less lonely for you.
It could work, but I think they like working at their own pace (which is ultimately why they will never improve of course), I prefer either going out with someone my pace, or solo, no responsibilities then to wait for people that get dropped etc. I quite like training solo anyway, I'd train solo only if I knew more routes around Surrey I think, but as it stands when I do a long ride 4 hrs + I don't mind going out with a few choice others that know the roads better than me.
Edited by okgo on Wednesday 31st October 12:09
okgo said:
It is easy to forget, you're right.
I don't often ride with the rest of the club anymore because of that very fact, one mans threshold is another mans tempo. Some 3rd cats went out last night and did the same chaingang route we do, I do it in about an hour with anything from 300-330w, the third cat guys were in the mid 200's, the gap is huge.
Motorpacing HTHI don't often ride with the rest of the club anymore because of that very fact, one mans threshold is another mans tempo. Some 3rd cats went out last night and did the same chaingang route we do, I do it in about an hour with anything from 300-330w, the third cat guys were in the mid 200's, the gap is huge.
So me being a total tard didn't really think that having all the bolts on my Qaurq at various torque levels would make that much difference. It seems it does having torqued them allto what the suggest, I need to give it a few hard sprints to settle it and re-zero, but I think all along I've been getting low power readings as the initial ones are coming out higher.
This would make sense, because I did a 20 min test back in April on a borrowed powertap and I've never managed to replicate that wattage since, despite being a lot stronger, so I will have to do a few re-tests. However, that's all very well, but whether I've been riding the speed I have on big watts or the ones I thought, either means I'm pretty aero, or I'm not aero at all.
This would make sense, because I did a 20 min test back in April on a borrowed powertap and I've never managed to replicate that wattage since, despite being a lot stronger, so I will have to do a few re-tests. However, that's all very well, but whether I've been riding the speed I have on big watts or the ones I thought, either means I'm pretty aero, or I'm not aero at all.
Edited by okgo on Saturday 3rd November 14:41
Chatting to a mate last night who rides for Raleigh/GAC. We got talking about power etc as I mentioned I have got a Wattbike coming in a few days...he's a very handy Crit rider & said he can hold 380w for 20mins "when he's going really well"....not a big fella (66kg) but its interesting to hear that the pro's aren't always pushing out huge numbers.
andySC said:
Chatting to a mate last night who rides for Raleigh/GAC. We got talking about power etc as I mentioned I have got a Wattbike coming in a few days...he's a very handy Crit rider & said he can hold 380w for 20mins "when he's going really well"....not a big fella (66kg) but its interesting to hear that the pro's aren't always pushing out huge numbers.
It depends on so many things, weight usually the big one, as proved by your man above. I'd expect to be able to do around 380 for 20 mins next season especially given the truer figures as above, but no chance I'm going to lose 15kg anytime soon, and also if he's decent at crits (who is it?) I'm sure he has a good kick on him which obviously helps hugely! Chris Boardman famously had literally ZERO sprint, I think his peak was 700w or something, which is amazingly low, but obviously was packed full of slow twitch!With the pro guys their power I think is always limited somewhat by the fact that they need to be nibmle enough to climb mountains. I think in an ideal world the best TT'er would be built like a rower, just a huge bloke with stupid power etc, the cloest you get to that on the pro scene nowadays would be Cancellara I guess who is a big bloke and is only able to get away with it because he has such a stupid amount of power at his disposal.
Good luck with the wattbike!
okgo said:
It depends on so many things, weight usually the big one, as proved by your man above. I'd expect to be able to do around 380 for 20 mins next season especially given the truer figures as above, but no chance I'm going to lose 15kg anytime soon, and also if he's decent at crits (who is it?) I'm sure he has a good kick on him which obviously helps hugely! Chris Boardman famously had literally ZERO sprint, I think his peak was 700w or something, which is amazingly low, but obviously was packed full of slow twitch!
With the pro guys their power I think is always limited somewhat by the fact that they need to be nibmle enough to climb mountains. I think in an ideal world the best TT'er would be built like a rower, just a huge bloke with stupid power etc, the cloest you get to that on the pro scene nowadays would be Cancellara I guess who is a big bloke and is only able to get away with it because he has such a stupid amount of power at his disposal.
Good luck with the wattbike!
He's called Graham Briggs...he's not a climber by his own admission but did a sterling ride on the Caerphilly stage of the TOB & was the last man in the break to be reeled in by JTL. He has got an awesome kick on him tho which is his primary weapon, not a bad tester either mind you...think he's got course record on our local "10" course...not a bad feat when it has been frequented by Kevin Dawson & Wayne "The Train" Randle in the past.With the pro guys their power I think is always limited somewhat by the fact that they need to be nibmle enough to climb mountains. I think in an ideal world the best TT'er would be built like a rower, just a huge bloke with stupid power etc, the cloest you get to that on the pro scene nowadays would be Cancellara I guess who is a big bloke and is only able to get away with it because he has such a stupid amount of power at his disposal.
Good luck with the wattbike!
Boardman output around 1000 watts in a sprint but he's an endurance rider rather than sprinter.
Interesting regards the Pro guy, again in the real world what club riders are outputting is prob 250-300 watts for an hour with the top guys pushing 350 +. Most of the guys in local clubs prob push 200-220 watts with the top guys in local clubs pushing 250 +.
You can't really call a Cat 1 racer club as the top end really is boarder-line Pro.
Interesting regards the Pro guy, again in the real world what club riders are outputting is prob 250-300 watts for an hour with the top guys pushing 350 +. Most of the guys in local clubs prob push 200-220 watts with the top guys in local clubs pushing 250 +.
You can't really call a Cat 1 racer club as the top end really is boarder-line Pro.
Well, either way, 1000 watts is dogs
t, the point was he had NOTHING in the short term stakes, which shows that playing to your strengths is vital.
Probably agree with that, although it depends on the club, ours is huge, but isn't really a racing club, but there are probably 10 guys with 300w + FTP's and maybe 5 of those are 330+, but in one of the more racing focused clubs you'll find more strong guys.
Agree re your other point, as I noted to Ed, a lad we raced a few times with last year who moved through to 1st cat this season has moved to Rapha for next season, his numbers will be comparable to many 1st cats, worse in some cases.
t, the point was he had NOTHING in the short term stakes, which shows that playing to your strengths is vital.Probably agree with that, although it depends on the club, ours is huge, but isn't really a racing club, but there are probably 10 guys with 300w + FTP's and maybe 5 of those are 330+, but in one of the more racing focused clubs you'll find more strong guys.
Agree re your other point, as I noted to Ed, a lad we raced a few times with last year who moved through to 1st cat this season has moved to Rapha for next season, his numbers will be comparable to many 1st cats, worse in some cases.
okgo said:
superkartracer said:
Dude, dogst??, the guys a legend 
t??, the guys a legend He was no sprinter, that's for sure
My legs are a mess, 600 TSS over 40 hours!
I did just under 300 the weekend and feel battered today.
You sure your numbers are correct, 600 over a week as hard going let alone 40 hours ha ha
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