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paulmon
582 posts
110 months
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Jimbo. said: They are of course tongue in cheek however some people seem to treat them like The Koran. 
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TonyHetherington
30,907 posts
119 months
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Dizeee said: Not convinced I am up to a club ride yet though, depends on the pace. I can hold 18 - 20mph average for around 30 miles but that does include a couple of 5 minute stops here and there for a sugary drink. 18-20mph is VERY good indeed. Is that your average speed over a 30mile ride, or do you mean that when you look down on the flat that's what you're always reading around?!
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Mr E
14,145 posts
128 months
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paulmon said: They are of course tongue in cheek however some people seem to treat them like The Koran. I do particularly like the rules about appearance (tan lines, kit, bike presentation etc). As a baggy short wearing mud plugger I honestly couldn't give a rats arse what the bike looks like as long as it goes.
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TonyHetherington
30,907 posts
119 months
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Indeed - "the rules" are very tongue in cheek, it's just fun to refer to them (be it making, or breaking)
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okgo
20,737 posts
67 months
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TonyHetherington said: 18-20mph is VERY good indeed. Is that your average speed over a 30mile ride, or do you mean that when you look down on the flat that's what you're always reading around?! Yes, you're certainly quick enough for a group ride at our club assuming its a 'club run pace' ride.
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Dizeee
Original Poster
11,903 posts
75 months
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crisisjez said: Rather than ride segments (which you can blow up on) why not look at the total ride and plan accordingly.
I generally start easy and end hard even if its a 50 miler. I have also started interval training on the steepest longest hill I can find which should really help.
If you arn't clipped in you are loosing power.
Also if you feel generally tired perhaps you are overdoing it.
(I am pretty local to you if you fancy a ride out just let me know btw)
I also have some Lycra spare that should fit you, bought 2 sizes as wasn't sure and the bigger size was the right one, never used, don't want anything for it.
That sounds interesting thanks. I know I go on about segments but I always try and go a new route, so usually don't even know where the segments are - hence why I always try and maintain the magical 20mph. Sometimes I hit an average of 21/22, or if slighly inclined etc I can hit 17/18/19 - overall I that's my aim but as I said I do like to have a couple of sugary drink breaks, maybe that's a bad thing. I have also found that starting easier and not trying too hard really helps me getting into the ride.
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Dizeee
Original Poster
11,903 posts
75 months
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Rouleur said: Where do you get that average from? And yes, you really need to be able to carry liquids! I get that from the average mph through segments I hit. When I upload my data onto Strava it sometimes includes all my resting time as well which has been pushing down the overall average speed, so I now look at my actual pace when pedalling by looking at how quick I am completing segments.
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ChrisMCoupe
577 posts
81 months
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Out of interest, why do you stop for drinks? Do you not find it easier to load up a bottle or 2 on the bike and not have to stop, or are you using these times as a recovery period too?
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okgo
20,737 posts
67 months
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Right, first things first, get two bottles cages and two bottles, its utterly retarded to be stopping every time you need a drink.
Secondly stop worrying about avg speed, your routes from this week where you've averaged over 18mph have been pan flat, to increase your fitness/power etc, you need to be doing more hills as the flat just doesn't push you in the same way a hill does.
I don't think its even possibly to eek out the same effort on the flat that you can find on a hill, if you don't pedal, you fall off, that's good motivation.
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smartypants
17,422 posts
38 months
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okgo said: I don't think its even possibly to eek out the same effort on the flat that you can find on a hill, if you don't pedal, you fall off, that's good motivation. I did this on Saturday. Final 2 miles of 45 mile ride included the b  d of all hills. I had nothing more to give apart from unclip one shoe and gently collapse into the verge 
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Dizeee
Original Poster
11,903 posts
75 months
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okgo said: Yes, you're certainly quick enough for a group ride at our club assuming its a 'club run pace' ride. As above it is what I am getting from Strava when looking at my segment speeds. The norm for me on segmnets is anywhere from 18 - 22 mph - I would expect 20mph on anything other than a climb. If any sort of climb is involved however, even a small one, this figure will drop to around the 17/18 mark. On a harder climb, anywhere between 13/15mph. However I bet club rides would not be too happy about stopping for a few minutes every 45 minutes or so. I really need to get some water bottles.
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Dizeee
Original Poster
11,903 posts
75 months
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ChrisMCoupe said: Out of interest, why do you stop for drinks? Do you not find it easier to load up a bottle or 2 on the bike and not have to stop, or are you using these times as a recovery period too? To be totally honest a bit of both I think.
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Dizeee
Original Poster
11,903 posts
75 months
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okgo said: Right, first things first, get two bottles cages and two bottles, its utterly retarded to be stopping every time you need a drink.
Secondly stop worrying about avg speed, your routes from this week where you've averaged over 18mph have been pan flat, to increase your fitness/power etc, you need to be doing more hills as the flat just doesn't push you in the same way a hill does.
I don't think its even possibly to eek out the same effort on the flat that you can find on a hill, if you don't pedal, you fall off, that's good motivation.  Bottles will be bought! I did have a few nice climbs on yesterdays ride? Not always pan flat  I am going to use Staple Hill for interval training I think.
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ChrisMCoupe
577 posts
81 months
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Why are you just looking at your average speeds over segments? Surely the real average is your average for the whole ride? If you are getting 18-20mph for the whole ride, I would say this is a good pace, and definitely good enough for most club rides.
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TonyHetherington
30,907 posts
119 months
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smartypants said: I did this on Saturday. Final 2 miles of 45 mile ride included the b d of all hills. I had nothing more to give apart from unclip one shoe and gently collapse into the verge The way I read that, it should have ended with "and I patted her on the fanny, and whispered "AWOOOGA" in her ear 
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Dizeee
Original Poster
11,903 posts
75 months
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ChrisMCoupe said: Why are you just looking at your average speeds over segments? Surely the real average is your average for the whole ride? If you are getting 18-20mph for the whole ride, I would say this is a good pace, and definitely good enough for most club rides. As I said in an earlier thread I was looking at the segment times to get an idea of my actual pedalling pace, without having the final average figure dented by my resting time. I accept that having the little breaks I do are not ideal but I would rather continue the decent pace and cut down/stamp out the breaks which is essentially what I am doing.
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okgo
20,737 posts
67 months
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ChrisMCoupe said: Why are you just looking at your average speeds over segments? Surely the real average is your average for the whole ride? If you are getting 18-20mph for the whole ride, I would say this is a good pace, and definitely good enough for most club rides. Quite. However most of our club rides go up proper hills (as proper as they get in the SE). Dizzie, I think you need to step away from the figures, if you could do those speeds up hill you'd be far quicker than most, and as we can see, you ain't (yet). So stop worrying about them. The club rides don't stop often, but they do wait at the top of hills because not everyone is evenly matched up them, you certainly would need to get bottles though.
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TonyHetherington
30,907 posts
119 months
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Depending on your local club - they often have different level groups.
I know my local has 3 (slow/medium/fast). So there will always be a level that suits you for what you want to do.
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smartypants
17,422 posts
38 months
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TonyHetherington said: The way I read that, it should have ended with "and I patted her on the fanny, and whispered "AWOOOGA" in her ear 
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burriana
15,820 posts
123 months
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smartypants said: okgo said: I don't think its even possibly to eek out the same effort on the flat that you can find on a hill, if you don't pedal, you fall off, that's good motivation. I did this on Saturday. Final 2 miles of 45 mile ride included the b d of all hills. I had nothing more to give apart from unclip one shoe and gently collapse into the verge Respect. You can't ask for more than all you've got  I fell off half way up Spout Hill in Brantingham on our club hill climb when I was about 13 (36 years ago!). I was on fixed and had been a tad ambitious with my choice of gear! Got back on and finished mind... I think I even got a consolation meal for best tryer
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