What do we think of the Orange Five?
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Dammit.
I had all but resigned myself that I should look at some of the good deals on last years full sus bikes.
Reading this thread, I now think I should save up some cash and go for a 'Five later this year.
My local trail, Llandegla, have some Orange demo bikes which would seem an ideal opportunity to see if they "for me". The danger is if they are, I won't be able to resist!
I had all but resigned myself that I should look at some of the good deals on last years full sus bikes.
Reading this thread, I now think I should save up some cash and go for a 'Five later this year.
My local trail, Llandegla, have some Orange demo bikes which would seem an ideal opportunity to see if they "for me". The danger is if they are, I won't be able to resist!
snorkel sucker said:
Dammit.
I had all but resigned myself that I should look at some of the good deals on last years full sus bikes.
Reading this thread, I now think I should save up some cash and go for a 'Five later this year.
My local trail, Llandegla, have some Orange demo bikes which would seem an ideal opportunity to see if they "for me". The danger is if they are, I won't be able to resist!
http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/offers/I had all but resigned myself that I should look at some of the good deals on last years full sus bikes.
Reading this thread, I now think I should save up some cash and go for a 'Five later this year.
My local trail, Llandegla, have some Orange demo bikes which would seem an ideal opportunity to see if they "for me". The danger is if they are, I won't be able to resist!
The 2011 closeout is selling 2012 bikes? Go and get a current bike at a knock down last years price + ex demo price!
its a deal,
its a steal,
its sale of the f
king century....
I really dont get them. I know they are the current middle aged mans play thing but they are heavy and very ouitdated. They bob and have chain growth, they have brake jack. The only thing that is great about them is that they are made in Halifax and come in pretty colours. But as a design they are a 3/10 which rises to a 5/10 because they are slack which people seem to like....but then there are planty of other slack bikes out there.
Crippo said:
I really dont get them. I know they are the current middle aged mans play thing but they are heavy and very ouitdated. They bob and have chain growth, they have brake jack. The only thing that is great about them is that they are made in Halifax and come in pretty colours. But as a design they are a 3/10 which rises to a 5/10 because they are slack which people seem to like....but then there are planty of other slack bikes out there.
I'm 31 and all my mates I ride with are within a year or two of me either way they've all been impressed with just how well the 5 climbs and rides. Another group I ride with ocasionaly has guys that are 16/17 and they've enjoyed riding my bike, don't think age has anything to do with it. Prehaps it doses as they're far from cheap and older people maybe have better jobs and more money?Heavy? Not really my previous 120MM XC full sus weighed the same as my 5?
Yes I could have bought a Lapierre 714 full carbon blah blah blah but it didn't ride as well as the 5, so therefore what's the point of having a light bike that isn't as good as a heavier one?
Crippo said:
I really dont get them. I know they are the current middle aged mans play thing but they are heavy and very ouitdated. They bob and have chain growth, they have brake jack. The only thing that is great about them is that they are made in Halifax and come in pretty colours. But as a design they are a 3/10 which rises to a 5/10 because they are slack which people seem to like....but then there are planty of other slack bikes out there.
Sounds like some one who has never owned one. I change from a 2004 to a 2010/11 bike, same dependable kit, but longer travel, different pivot point, different top tube, different seat tube, different swing arm, different head tube, less bob
Same at up and go ridin style
Custard
vwsurfbum said:
Its a fair point, what does your 5 weigh?
About 27lbs. Previous bike was a Ghost AMR 5700. 5's look incredibly heavy but in reality they're not, it's much lighter than my mates 2006 or 7 Commencal Meta 5 and his a 16" frame mines a 20" frame! Same number of gears both running XT/SLX drivetrain, I've got much bigger bars and a Reverb he's got a Gravity dropper. His might have coil forks not exactly sure though.missing the VR6 said:
About 27lbs.
Thats a lot lighter than i was expecting (i also had to convert it to Kilo's) all the ones i have lifted feel like they weigh the earth! I have always had scotts, and they are considered to be quite light, My Carbon Genius MC20 weighed in at 12kg which is 26.4 in your money
When it comes to bikes too many people are swayed by the latest linkages and marketing. Single pivots work, and work well at that. Sure, they don't work perfectly everywhere, the pivot placement is always going to be at a point where you've got a slight trade off but thanks to shocks now being tuned properly from the factory this is reducing noticeably. Also worth noting is that even linkage bikes are a compromise in setup between climbing, pedalling & pure traction in the rough, although most riders seem to forget this! Most important are the angles, and the Five has these dialled for aggressive riding. They ride predictably, stably and consistently - there aren't any nasty surprises when you take them to their limit. Arguably most riders never take them anywhere close to the limit but that feeling of stability on a trail centre in an average riders hands also means that when a technically gifted rider is thrashing them down a technical descent they feel like mini downhill bikes.
At the end of the day all bikes are going to have a compromise and for me the Five doesn't have the climbing prowess of some, but then those others lack the descending prowess of the Five. You pay your money and all that, but to say they're outdated smacks of someone who wants the latest product of a marketing department. Angles and a good suspension curve are by far the most important aspects of a bike. As for brake jack, well it's a load of rubbish - stop braking when you shouldn't be braking!
At the end of the day all bikes are going to have a compromise and for me the Five doesn't have the climbing prowess of some, but then those others lack the descending prowess of the Five. You pay your money and all that, but to say they're outdated smacks of someone who wants the latest product of a marketing department. Angles and a good suspension curve are by far the most important aspects of a bike. As for brake jack, well it's a load of rubbish - stop braking when you shouldn't be braking!
Edited by Ennoch on Wednesday 17th October 15:41
vwsurfbum said:
hats a lot lighter than i was expecting (i also had to convert it to Kilo's) all the ones i have lifted feel like they weigh the earth!
I have always had scotts, and they are considered to be quite light, My Carbon Genius MC20 weighed in at 12kg which is 26.4 in your money
I think here in lies the issue, the Lapierre 714 in carbon is about 25.5lbs (sorry) does the average rider notice that sort of difference, I personaly think not and here's my reason why. Going from my Ghost to the 5 a 120mm XC bike to a 140MM AM bike I've noticed no difference in climbing or pedaling on the flat I'm also comparing like for like rides in various places, my local loop at Bedgebury Forest or the Whites Level climb for instance, if anything the Orange was easer up Whites climb as it seems to just steamroll over objects where the Ghost wasn't as forgiving on the technical climbs.I have always had scotts, and they are considered to be quite light, My Carbon Genius MC20 weighed in at 12kg which is 26.4 in your money
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