I can't find the words to describe this....

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VinceFox said:

MX7 said:

I don't understand the hate of "Polite" jackets. I guess that these evolved out of necessity, as cyclists and horse riders felt that people weren't slowing down enough, and if drivers really do give more respect to a Police cycle/horse, who can blame people for using them?

me.

You blame people for trying to ensure their own safety?

[VinceFox]

Countdown said:

VinceFox said:

MX7 said:

I don't understand the hate of "Polite" jackets. I guess that these evolved out of necessity, as cyclists and horse riders felt that people weren't slowing down enough, and if drivers really do give more respect to a Police cycle/horse, who can blame people for using them?

me.

You blame people for trying to ensure their own safety?

how is a plain hi viz jacket less visible?

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VinceFox said:

how is a plain hi viz jacket less visible?

The wearer thinks looking like Police will enhance his safety / make him more noticeable.

What difference does it make to anybody else?

AFAICS the only people negatively affected are those who took more care than they would otherwise have done had they known it was "just" a MOP rather than a Police Officer.

[VinceFox]

Countdown said:

VinceFox said:

how is a plain hi viz jacket less visible?

The wearer thinks looking like Police will enhance his safety / make him more noticeable.

What difference does it make to anybody else?

AFAICS the only people negatively affected are those who took more care than they would otherwise have done had they known it was "just" a MOP rather than a Police Officer.

i think it's the start of a very slippery slope, personally.

[ukwill]

Personally I have no issue with cyclists wearing hi viz. However, I think impersonating OB is pushing it too far. (I cycle 5 days a week).

[NDA]

Genelec said:

Apologies for the blur, I was apoplectic with rage at the time



You probably can't quite make out the go-pro glued to his head and the red and green/blue light on his pannier bag....

I suspect the chap in the photo is some sad little fellow who gets off on winding people up and capturing it on camera to whack off to with his chums.

There are a few motorbike riders who try very hard to look like the Police too. I guess they never really grew up.

[MX7]

VinceFox said:

i think it's the start of a very slippery slope, personally.

"Slippery slope" usually leads on to a fairly stupid discussion in my opinion. They are generally full of daft speculation that the Daily Mail couldn't think of.

Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? People see others and take appropriate action?

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NDA said:

I suspect the chap in the photo is some sad little fellow who gets off on winding people up and capturing it on camera to whack off to with his chums.

There are a few motorbike riders who try very hard to look like the Police too. I guess they never really grew up.

Genuinely don't understand this - WHY would people get wound up?

ETA maybe it's a "power" thing? The pretend copper cyclist will be treated with more care/respect than they're strictly entitled to and this makes people like the OP feel impotent / insecure?

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 10th February 00:21

[funkyrobot]

Genelec said:

I'd like to thank all those who are concerned at my welfare. I should point out that I wasn't ACTUALLY shaking with rage at the time (just a fairly crap camera on my phone). In fact I wasn't anywhere close to rage. Just slightly irked at his silly vest.

Carry on.

You fking liar!

[VinceFox]

MX7 said:

VinceFox said:

i think it's the start of a very slippery slope, personally.

"Slippery slope" usually leads on to a fairly stupid discussion in my opinion. They are generally full of daft speculation that the Daily Mail couldn't think of.

Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? People see others and take appropriate action?

the worst? very difficult to answer. i maintain that anything deliberately designed to allow one member of the public to cause others to mistake them for the police is at best well meaning but naive; at worst downright deceitful and smacks of a personality desiring all the authority with none of the responsibility.

i've kept this broad in the hope it doesn't descend into your "daily mail" flavoured concern but i'm sure, semantics and point scoring aside, you can see this is something which if left to creep, will cause problems for the wider public over time.

Edited by VinceFox on Sunday 10th February 00:39

[Boobonman]

Agree 100% with OP here. I have never met the individual in the photograph but I would bet my life savings that he is a weapons grade .

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VinceFox said:

the worst? very difficult to answer. i maintain that anything deliberately designed to allow one member of the public to cause others to mistake them for the police is at best well meaning but naive; at worst downright deceitful and smacks of a personality desiring all the authority with none of the responsibility.

i've kept this broad in the hope it doesn't descend into your "daily mail" flavoured concern but i'm sure, semantics and point scoring aside, you can see this is something which if left to creep, will cause problems for the wider public over time.

Edited by VinceFox on Sunday 10th February 00:39

He has absolutely no authority over you.

[VinceFox]

Countdown said:

VinceFox said:

the worst? very difficult to answer. i maintain that anything deliberately designed to allow one member of the public to cause others to mistake them for the police is at best well meaning but naive; at worst downright deceitful and smacks of a personality desiring all the authority with none of the responsibility.

i've kept this broad in the hope it doesn't descend into your "daily mail" flavoured concern but i'm sure, semantics and point scoring aside, you can see this is something which if left to creep, will cause problems for the wider public over time.

Edited by VinceFox on Sunday 10th February 00:39

He has absolutely no authority over you.

desiring, not having. subtle but important distinction. i believe marx put it best.

[MX7]

VinceFox said:

MX7 said:

VinceFox said:

i think it's the start of a very slippery slope, personally.

"Slippery slope" usually leads on to a fairly stupid discussion in my opinion. They are generally full of daft speculation that the Daily Mail couldn't think of.

Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? People see others and take appropriate action?

the worst? very difficult to answer. i maintain that anything deliberately designed to allow one member of the public to cause others to mistake them for the police is at best well meaning but naive; at worst downright deceitful and smacks of a personality desiring all the authority with none of the responsibility.

i've kept this broad in the hope it doesn't descend into your "daily mail" flavoured concern but i'm sure, semantics and point scoring aside, you can see this is something which if left to creep, will cause problems for the wider public over time.

Edited by VinceFox on Sunday 10th February 00:39

So the worst is that people could act in a lawful manner?

[VinceFox]

MX7 said:

VinceFox said:

MX7 said:

VinceFox said:

i think it's the start of a very slippery slope, personally.

"Slippery slope" usually leads on to a fairly stupid discussion in my opinion. They are generally full of daft speculation that the Daily Mail couldn't think of.

Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? People see others and take appropriate action?

the worst? very difficult to answer. i maintain that anything deliberately designed to allow one member of the public to cause others to mistake them for the police is at best well meaning but naive; at worst downright deceitful and smacks of a personality desiring all the authority with none of the responsibility.

i've kept this broad in the hope it doesn't descend into your "daily mail" flavoured concern but i'm sure, semantics and point scoring aside, you can see this is something which if left to creep, will cause problems for the wider public over time.

Edited by VinceFox on Sunday 10th February 00:39

So the worst is that people could act in a lawful manner?

no, the worst is that you could deliberately misunderstand my point.

forgive me, i'm a little too tired to fence tonight chaps.

[fttm]

Just wonder what sort of dork wears that crap , obviously ones without any pride in themselves that goes without saying . This should be in the "what makes you think knob " thread .

[Vespid]

ukwill said:

Personally I have no issue with cyclists wearing hi viz. However, I think impersonating OB is pushing it too far. (I cycle 5 days a week).

Pushing what too far?

[Urban Sports]

Vespid said:

Pushing what too far?

It's obvious what he's on about, don't be stupid.

[tamore]

MX7 said:

Countdown said:

Bit like HATO vehicles; people panic because they think they've been doing something wrong, realise its not a real policeman, and then get annoyed cos they've 5hit their kecks without needing to.....

But if you're not driving like a tt, where's the problem?

so doing 80/90 on a dry empty motorway in broad daylight is driving 'like a tt'. not sure you're on the right website.

[Boshly]

MX7 said:

VinceFox said:

MX7 said:

VinceFox said:

i think it's the start of a very slippery slope, personally.

"Slippery slope" usually leads on to a fairly stupid discussion in my opinion. They are generally full of daft speculation that the Daily Mail couldn't think of.

Tell me, what's the worst that could happen? People see others and take appropriate action?

the worst? very difficult to answer. i maintain that anything deliberately designed to allow one member of the public to cause others to mistake them for the police is at best well meaning but naive; at worst downright deceitful and smacks of a personality desiring all the authority with none of the responsibility.

i've kept this broad in the hope it doesn't descend into your "daily mail" flavoured concern but i'm sure, semantics and point scoring aside, you can see this is something which if left to creep, will cause problems for the wider public over time.

Edited by VinceFox on Sunday 10th February 00:39

So the worst is that people could act in a lawful manner?

Why am I not able to dress my car up to look similar to a police car with "POLITE" and chequered stripes on the side?