A cyclist and tax question
Discussion
jimbop1 said:
will_ said:
Just think about how stupid the average person is.
Then remember that half the population are more stupid than that.
The think of jimbop1.
And then think a few of them are pro cyclists, anti everything else, the world revolves around us types...such as yourself and a couple of others that post in every cycle related thread and have to turn to insults when anything they don't agree with is said. Then remember that half the population are more stupid than that.
The think of jimbop1.
When I cycle I dont expect special treatment, just not getting treated like s
t is all I want, epoeple taking reasonable car, unlike the guy in a Merc last night that came through past some parked cars ont he wrong side of the road and didnt see me as he was messing with his phone, it was ok though as I managed to jib up a dropped kerb to avoid some life changing injuries and he at least hadd the decency to look a bit scared and sheepish.kambites said:
heebeegeetee said:
I think it's fair to say that PH represents the thinking of the average motorist in the UK,
I think that is an extraordinarily rash statement. 
Cycling is a decidedly middle-class thing in the UK. I'd be willing to bet that the average cyclist pays more tax than the average driver simply because their average incomes will be higher.
There's a large group of "middle-class" [sic] cyclists in the UK. I assume you're talking about the Sunday morning group rides, cycling clubs, sportives etc. The MAMILs and MAWILs climbing box hill of a weekend.
What about the commuters, the school kids, the can't afford a car, the postmen. I'd be willing to bet the average cyclist is the slightly fitter, slightly younger version of the average UK resident.
yonex said:
You troll every cycling thread. It's almost a religion for you.
Troll or have the opposite opinion to yourself, which you don't agree with?My previous post on here was agreeing that cyclist should have insurance and pass a test to be able to ride on the road but I disagreed that they shouldn't pay tax, and gave my reasoning to it. Again is this trolling or having a different opinion to the cyclists that frequent every thread?
jimbop1 said:
Troll or have the opposite opinion to yourself, which you don't agree with?
Troll. Definitely troll.Not for your opinions, but the way you make them, which is to ignore all objections in favour of repitition and thinking mis-spelling "cyclists" makes you look clever. No, I don't care that you claim you were told off for spelling it properly, you weren't.
That isn't debate, that's trolling. Hence troll.
FWIW anyone who can scroll back a page can tell the rest of your post was lie.
T0nup said:
Cyclists...
Test em... Yes.
Insurance... Absolutely
Tax em... HELL YES!
And frankly, should a cyclist be pulled or caught for anything by BiB, if they are found to be a car driving licence holder, it should be a mandatory 3 points. They should know fking better.
"Test em" Well... I did take a cycling proficiency test in Primary School, ironically I must be one of a tiny proportion of kids who failed it - for pulling wheelies. I assume you also call for testing for all other road users, Horse riders, pedestrians etc?Test em... Yes.
Insurance... Absolutely
Tax em... HELL YES!
And frankly, should a cyclist be pulled or caught for anything by BiB, if they are found to be a car driving licence holder, it should be a mandatory 3 points. They should know f
king better."Insurance... Absolutely", what, to mitigate the losses of all those other road users who've had their vehicles damaged by cyclists?
Tax em... on what basis? VAT - yep bikes are VATable, VED? Okay you do know that's based on emissions yeah?
And yes, if you're caught doing something stupid on your bike you can be prosecuted - you can't be given points on your driving licence - but then you can't as a pedestrian either.
For my bikes, I pay the level of VED appropriate to a low emission vehicle (<100g/km of CO2), i.e: £0.
Plus £140 or whatever it is for my car.
Plus whatever proportion of our other taxes actualy get spent on the roads (bugger all, judging by their condition up here).
The govt. are the thieves here, taking our taxes but not spending them on maintaining the road network...
Plus £140 or whatever it is for my car.
Plus whatever proportion of our other taxes actualy get spent on the roads (bugger all, judging by their condition up here).
The govt. are the thieves here, taking our taxes but not spending them on maintaining the road network...
Basil Hume said:
I'm a regular cycle commuter and also pay VED at £490.
I can't wait to tell someone who accuses me of not paying "road tax" (not to mention all the other tax I pay).
I agree, but its £500 since the budget I can't wait to tell someone who accuses me of not paying "road tax" (not to mention all the other tax I pay).
I do think it is utterly pointless cyclists and non cyclists arguing about whether cyclists are Taxed, MOT'd, trained, insured or are required to wear Espadrilles and a rather rakish Panama hat by law.
None of us make the laws or have any influence over those who do, if it really annoys you, stand for parliament, stage a Coup or proceed to the nearest convenient parallel dimension that does.
BGarside said:
For my bikes, I pay the level of VED appropriate to a low emission vehicle (<100g/km of CO2), i.e: £0.
No you don't, that's the point. You get away with not even paying £0! Cyclists should be billed for VED and have to send a cheque or set up a direct debit or something to prove they've paid their £0 and then everyone can be happy that cyclists are being appropriately taxed! Plus they'll either have to have number plates fitted or bring back tax disks so the police can easily spot people who haven't paid their £0.
RizzoTheRat said:
No you don't, that's the point. You get away with not even paying £0! Cyclists should be billed for VED and have to send a cheque or set up a direct debit or something to prove they've paid their £0 and then everyone can be happy that cyclists are being appropriately taxed! Plus they'll either have to have number plates fitted or bring back tax disks so the police can easily spot people who haven't paid their £0.
Yes - quite - that doesn't seem like an absolute waste of taxpayers money in the slightest...Rolls said:
RizzoTheRat said:
No you don't, that's the point. You get away with not even paying £0! Cyclists should be billed for VED and have to send a cheque or set up a direct debit or something to prove they've paid their £0 and then everyone can be happy that cyclists are being appropriately taxed! Plus they'll either have to have number plates fitted or bring back tax disks so the police can easily spot people who haven't paid their £0.
Yes - quite - that doesn't seem like an absolute waste of taxpayers money in the slightest...Barchettaman said:
T0nup said:
And frankly, should a cyclist be pulled or caught for anything by BiB, if they are found to be a car driving licence holder, it should be a mandatory 3 points. They should know fking better.
This is the case in Germany, if you are caught doing something stupid on a bike the police can endorse your driving license (or put points on your future license if you don't yet have one). king better.You know in any accident involving a car and a bicycle that the driver is deemed automatically at fault unless he can prove he's innocent?
walm said:
calibrax said:
No need for a tax. Simply make cycling a category on a driving licence that you have to pass a separate test for, i.e. like motorcycling. That way cyclists will all be trained, and will have no excuse for jumping red lights etc - and they can receive the same penalties as car drivers for misbehaviour.
My 4 year old's driving licence doesn't have room for an extra category though.It is already too full with her Teddy Bear Doctor's licence and I Spy: Category 3.
I love these threads. It really helps justify my already rock-bottom opinions on the intellect of the average human.
It will be a cold day in hell when morons realise that vehicles that offer almost no danger or risk to other road users need to be treated differently - but I still look forward to it.
These out-of-date morons still can't seem to get the fact that all the authorities - local council, UK government, EU etc are going to make cycling a higher priority.
So if they're raging now about the way cyclists 'get away with it', then they'll explode as the future unfolds!!
walm said:
Rolls said:
RizzoTheRat said:
No you don't, that's the point. You get away with not even paying £0! Cyclists should be billed for VED and have to send a cheque or set up a direct debit or something to prove they've paid their £0 and then everyone can be happy that cyclists are being appropriately taxed! Plus they'll either have to have number plates fitted or bring back tax disks so the police can easily spot people who haven't paid their £0.
Yes - quite - that doesn't seem like an absolute waste of taxpayers money in the slightest...Imagine it!
oyster said:
Barchettaman said:
T0nup said:
And frankly, should a cyclist be pulled or caught for anything by BiB, if they are found to be a car driving licence holder, it should be a mandatory 3 points. They should know fking better.
This is the case in Germany, if you are caught doing something stupid on a bike the police can endorse your driving license (or put points on your future license if you don't yet have one). king better.You know in any accident involving a car and a bicycle that the driver is deemed automatically at fault unless he can prove he's innocent?
T0nup said:
Cyclists...
Test em... Yes.
Insurance... Absolutely
Tax em... HELL YES!
And frankly, should a cyclist be pulled or caught for anything by BiB, if they are found to be a car driving licence holder, it should be a mandatory 3 points. They should know fking better.
Test em... Yes.
Insurance... Absolutely
Tax em... HELL YES!
And frankly, should a cyclist be pulled or caught for anything by BiB, if they are found to be a car driving licence holder, it should be a mandatory 3 points. They should know f
king better.jimbop1 said:
Very good point!
I don't really agree with the tax bit though as cars with few emissions don't pay.
Here you goI don't really agree with the tax bit though as cars with few emissions don't pay.
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