A cyclist and tax question
Discussion
jimbop1 said:
mdavids said:
Perhaps its regularly coming out with such gems as:
"most cyclists are knobheads"
"cycling commuters are just awful people"
"cyclists are dangerous"
Talk about wild accusations
If not trolling, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by your obsessive posting on every cycling thread.
You come across as a vile and stupid individual.
And another cyclist resorting to insults. I often wonder are the cyclists of PH as aggressive and gobby in the real world.. Then I realise, of course they are."most cyclists are knobheads"
"cycling commuters are just awful people"
"cyclists are dangerous"
Talk about wild accusations
If not trolling, I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve by your obsessive posting on every cycling thread.
You come across as a vile and stupid individual.
Vile for not liking cyclists on the road? Get a grip mate.
mybrainhurts said:
These problems would all go away...
...if all bicyclists were shot on sight...
WTF? Have I strayed from PH into 'Khmer Rouge.com' This sounds like a very Pol Pot-esque solution to a problem that isn't actually a problem at all!...if all bicyclists were shot on sight...
Who, under your despotic regime, will do the shooting? The army certainly won't do it for you, as at least 50% of Army officers are bike owners, and 50% of those are pretty serious cyclists, judging by my experience.
Does it sound reasonable if I volunteer to man the gantries over my local motorway, and 'eliminate' anyone observed to be hogging the middle lane, or tailgating? I'm certainly capable of it, I was entitled to wear the 'Marksman' patch...
...as a result of my "well above average" ability with a service issue rifle.
I'd take great pleasure in ridding civilised society of the scourge of badly driven ***s constantly roaring about the streets, speeding, tailgating, weaving across lanes and parking wherever they damned well please
***insert some random German car manufacturer here, to fit the stereotype
Licensing cyclists has been tried in many countries, has failed for being uneconomic and unenforceable.
Most serious cyclists have insurance, membership of many cycling organisations has it as an automatic benefit.
Being a cyclist in this country is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, it's a fabricated hate-fest, created to offset attention from other problems.
Drivers are not top of the food chain when it comes to using the road, so get over it.
Why cyclists should not pay VED
Most serious cyclists have insurance, membership of many cycling organisations has it as an automatic benefit.
Being a cyclist in this country is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany, it's a fabricated hate-fest, created to offset attention from other problems.
Drivers are not top of the food chain when it comes to using the road, so get over it.
Why cyclists should not pay VED
jimbop1 said:
Cycling carries much more risk than your single mind thinks. What's wrong with you cyclists and turning so aggressive? You do it on the road and you do it on here. Anyway I'll leave you guys to talk amongst yourselves.. My views are never going to be welcome in a bike forum.
The health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks (BMA, 1992) by a substantial margin.The health benefits of cycling massively outweigh the risks.
Edited by OTBC on Friday 18th April 20:22
yellowjack said:
WTF? Have I strayed from PH into 'Khmer Rouge.com' This sounds like a very Pol Pot-esque solution to a problem that isn't actually a problem at all!
Who, under your despotic regime, will do the shooting? The army certainly won't do it for you, as at least 50% of Army officers are bike owners, and 50% of those are pretty serious cyclists, judging by my experience.
Does it sound reasonable if I volunteer to man the gantries over my local motorway, and 'eliminate' anyone observed to be hogging the middle lane, or tailgating? I'm certainly capable of it, I was entitled to wear the 'Marksman' patch...
...as a result of my "well above average" ability with a service issue rifle.
I'd take great pleasure in ridding civilised society of the scourge of badly driven ***s constantly roaring about the streets, speeding, tailgating, weaving across lanes and parking wherever they damned well please
***insert some random German car manufacturer here, to fit the stereotype
Anyone can get marksman, it's easy! Who, under your despotic regime, will do the shooting? The army certainly won't do it for you, as at least 50% of Army officers are bike owners, and 50% of those are pretty serious cyclists, judging by my experience.
Does it sound reasonable if I volunteer to man the gantries over my local motorway, and 'eliminate' anyone observed to be hogging the middle lane, or tailgating? I'm certainly capable of it, I was entitled to wear the 'Marksman' patch...
...as a result of my "well above average" ability with a service issue rifle.
I'd take great pleasure in ridding civilised society of the scourge of badly driven ***s constantly roaring about the streets, speeding, tailgating, weaving across lanes and parking wherever they damned well please
***insert some random German car manufacturer here, to fit the stereotype
jimbop1 said:
Anyone can get marksman, it's easy!
You've obviously not had to coach trained soldiers (allegedly) who can't hit a barn door from the inside. It can seriously try one's patience to watch 5 guys use up half the squadron's ammunition allocation just trying to get off the grouping and zeroing range, with the range warden stood looking at his watch, and the light fading Whisper it, but once or twice I was employed to do some 'cross lane firing' to 'con' the scoring equipment, just so we could avoid another range day further down the line. You'd be surprised just how much of a meal some people can make out of getting a basic pass. Government cutbacks are to blame, as range time and live rounds to practice with are hard to come by in large quantities.
It's a well documented fact that the revenue derived by the insurance industry from motorists doesn't even come close to covering the amount of money paid out for the amount of damage that they cause.
Therefore the actual insurance of motorists is derived from insurance premiums for non-motoring related policies.
As someone without a car but insurance policies for other things it can be taken that I'm already paying for motorists insurance, why then should I pay for my own. Surely it would be fairer for motorists to pick up the tab?
Therefore the actual insurance of motorists is derived from insurance premiums for non-motoring related policies.
As someone without a car but insurance policies for other things it can be taken that I'm already paying for motorists insurance, why then should I pay for my own. Surely it would be fairer for motorists to pick up the tab?
It's a good point. The other issue to consider is of course that we only have one hypothecated tax in the UK (TV Licence) with all the rest going into the central pot.
In those terms, it's therefore all about how much tax you pay in total- sadly I paid a bit more than the cost of a tax disc and car insurance last year to HMRC.
In those terms, it's therefore all about how much tax you pay in total- sadly I paid a bit more than the cost of a tax disc and car insurance last year to HMRC.
jimbop1 said:
Cycling carries much more risk than your single mind thinks. What's wrong with you cyclists and turning so aggressive? You do it on the road and you do it on here. Anyway I'll leave you guys to talk amongst yourselves.. My views are never going to be welcome in a bike forum.
Do you play for your County..w
kershire?yellowjack said:
You've obviously not had to coach trained soldiers (allegedly) who can't hit a barn door from the inside. It can seriously try one's patience to watch 5 guys use up half the squadron's ammunition allocation just trying to get off the grouping and zeroing range, with the range warden stood looking at his watch, and the light fading
Whisper it, but once or twice I was employed to do some 'cross lane firing' to 'con' the scoring equipment, just so we could avoid another range day further down the line. You'd be surprised just how much of a meal some people can make out of getting a basic pass. Government cutbacks are to blame, as range time and live rounds to practice with are hard to come by in large quantities.
Was that in the day of iron sights? I meant to say easy with a susat or acog. Also meant to put Whisper it, but once or twice I was employed to do some 'cross lane firing' to 'con' the scoring equipment, just so we could avoid another range day further down the line. You'd be surprised just how much of a meal some people can make out of getting a basic pass. Government cutbacks are to blame, as range time and live rounds to practice with are hard to come by in large quantities.
at the end of the post.Edited by jimbop1 on Saturday 19th April 00:20
jimbop1 said:
yellowjack said:
You've obviously not had to coach trained soldiers (allegedly) who can't hit a barn door from the inside. It can seriously try one's patience to watch 5 guys use up half the squadron's ammunition allocation just trying to get off the grouping and zeroing range, with the range warden stood looking at his watch, and the light fading
Whisper it, but once or twice I was employed to do some 'cross lane firing' to 'con' the scoring equipment, just so we could avoid another range day further down the line. You'd be surprised just how much of a meal some people can make out of getting a basic pass. Government cutbacks are to blame, as range time and live rounds to practice with are hard to come by in large quantities.
Was that in the day of iron sights? I meant to say easy with a susat or acog.Whisper it, but once or twice I was employed to do some 'cross lane firing' to 'con' the scoring equipment, just so we could avoid another range day further down the line. You'd be surprised just how much of a meal some people can make out of getting a basic pass. Government cutbacks are to blame, as range time and live rounds to practice with are hard to come by in large quantities.
I went to the Gulf in 1991 with an SMG (9mm) for a personal weapon and an LMG (7.62mm) attached to the top of my 432, and the bulk of the section had SLRs, so I'm very much an 'iron sights' sort of chap. L2A2 IWS was something to avoid though. Never much fun having that dead weight added to an already heavy rifle. I was one of the last to get conversion training to the SA80 because I left a unit with SLR to attend a nine month training course, where guard shifts had access to both old and new rifles, and after the course I was posted to a unit with the new SA80. First APWT there was interesting when I told the 'badge' that I wasn't trained on the weapon. Soon picked it up though, through an hour's 'one-to-one' coaching on the new drills.
Still. This is a bit of a thread de-rail, and will likely get me shouted down for excessive use of military abbreviations. Best get back to discussing the non starter that is taxation of cyclists, eh?
yellowjack said:
Yup, I'm talking iron sights. RE units even until very recently didn't get SUSAT as standard. Iron sights for regular peacetime training, then a move to optical sighting systems for Ops, fitted prior to PDT. We also had access to loan pool SUSATs for stuff like Div competition shooting and Corpsam. I never came across an ACOG during my service. Which mob were you with?
I went to the Gulf in 1991 with an SMG (9mm) for a personal weapon and an LMG (7.62mm) attached to the top of my 432, and the bulk of the section had SLRs, so I'm very much an 'iron sights' sort of chap. L2A2 IWS was something to avoid though. Never much fun having that dead weight added to an already heavy rifle. I was one of the last to get conversion training to the SA80 because I left a unit with SLR to attend a nine month training course, where guard shifts had access to both old and new rifles, and after the course I was posted to a unit with the new SA80. First APWT there was interesting when I told the 'badge' that I wasn't trained on the weapon. Soon picked it up though, through an hour's 'one-to-one' coaching on the new drills.
Still. This is a bit of a thread de-rail, and will likely get me shouted down for excessive use of military abbreviations. Best get back to discussing the non starter that is taxation of cyclists, eh?
Nah talking about cyclists is so boring! I went to the Gulf in 1991 with an SMG (9mm) for a personal weapon and an LMG (7.62mm) attached to the top of my 432, and the bulk of the section had SLRs, so I'm very much an 'iron sights' sort of chap. L2A2 IWS was something to avoid though. Never much fun having that dead weight added to an already heavy rifle. I was one of the last to get conversion training to the SA80 because I left a unit with SLR to attend a nine month training course, where guard shifts had access to both old and new rifles, and after the course I was posted to a unit with the new SA80. First APWT there was interesting when I told the 'badge' that I wasn't trained on the weapon. Soon picked it up though, through an hour's 'one-to-one' coaching on the new drills.
Still. This is a bit of a thread de-rail, and will likely get me shouted down for excessive use of military abbreviations. Best get back to discussing the non starter that is taxation of cyclists, eh?
You went to the gulf with an SMG and an LMG ? Sounds like you had some Gucci weapons back then!
I know the C8 Demarco well but wouldn't say it's much better than the A2 .. Which I also don't rate .
jimbop1 said:
Nah talking about cyclists is so boring!
You went to the gulf with an SMG and an LMG ? Sounds like you had some Gucci weapons back then!
I know the C8 Demarco well but wouldn't say it's much better than the A2 .. Which I also don't rate .
Are you as sYou went to the gulf with an SMG and an LMG ? Sounds like you had some Gucci weapons back then!
I know the C8 Demarco well but wouldn't say it's much better than the A2 .. Which I also don't rate .
t on a bike as you are on the web? jimbop1 said:
Nah talking about cyclists is so boring!
You went to the gulf with an SMG and an LMG ? Sounds like you had some Gucci weapons back then!
I know the C8 Demarco well but wouldn't say it's much better than the A2 .. Which I also don't rate .
Gucci? Not really. Although many of the Fusiliers we were supporting would beg us to swap weapons with them. They really didn't like the L85A1.You went to the gulf with an SMG and an LMG ? Sounds like you had some Gucci weapons back then!
I know the C8 Demarco well but wouldn't say it's much better than the A2 .. Which I also don't rate .
'My' LMG was a re-barreled Bren. It had 1944 stamped on the side, with two lines struck through that date, and the new designation and reproofing date below it. Going to war in a 30 year old vehicle, armed with 50 year old weapons? No problem, so long as the BVs worked
yellowjack said:
Gucci? Not really. Although many of the Fusiliers we were supporting would beg us to swap weapons with them. They really didn't like the L85A1.
'My' LMG was a re-barreled Bren. It had 1944 stamped on the side, with two lines struck through that date, and the new designation and reproofing date below it. Going to war in a 30 year old vehicle, armed with 50 year old weapons? No problem, so long as the BVs worked
The British Army get up to date when the war is over.. But somehow the best 'My' LMG was a re-barreled Bren. It had 1944 stamped on the side, with two lines struck through that date, and the new designation and reproofing date below it. Going to war in a 30 year old vehicle, armed with 50 year old weapons? No problem, so long as the BVs worked
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