Cipollini - Educate Me
Discussion
Ooooh Corsa...
Dizeee said:
I am not mechanically minded so struggle to explain it
Au contraire, I think for once you are hiding your light under a bushel.Dizeey yes it was actually him! once said:
The rear seat thing, It is rare that I fold them down, but it has to be said that when folded they remove a bit of weight. Vertical seats exert more downward force because the energy is focused on a smaller surface area. When horizontal, the weight is spread and so is less per Centimetre squared.
Genius!richardxjr said:
Ooooh Corsa...
I've always wondered the origin of that legendary concept. Consider me educated. Dizeee said:
I am not mechanically minded so struggle to explain it
Au contraire, I think for once you are hiding your light under a bushel.Dizeey yes it was actually him! once said:
The rear seat thing, It is rare that I fold them down, but it has to be said that when folded they remove a bit of weight. Vertical seats exert more downward force because the energy is focused on a smaller surface area. When horizontal, the weight is spread and so is less per Centimetre squared.
Genius!Anyone else hoping the bike shop 1 owner comes on and gives us a first hand account?
I have a feeling something like this might play out - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
I have a feeling something like this might play out - http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Dizeee said:
The rear seat thing, It is rare that I fold them down, but it has to be said that when folded they remove a bit of weight. Vertical seats exert more downward force because the energy is focused on a smaller surface area. When horizontal, the weight is spread and so is less per Centimetre squared.
You learn something every day, this thread just keeps on giving lolI mean, er...f
kI hate to go over old ground but at the start you claimed the frame had taken 'a bashing' and yet over on BR you say the bike was totally untouched apart from the wheel : http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40...
Did you just think 'I want a new bike to keep me interested'? Also the 'leg injury' that's fine to ride on the next day - if you're claiming for an injury, you want to hope the insurers don't see this thread as you'll be in trouble!
Did you just think 'I want a new bike to keep me interested'? Also the 'leg injury' that's fine to ride on the next day - if you're claiming for an injury, you want to hope the insurers don't see this thread as you'll be in trouble!
What's happening folks, opened pedal powered ready for my daily soap drama of what Dizzee did next and it wasn't on the front page, come on this needs to be a sticky, or we need something like the futher adventures of Dizzee, or Dizzee when cycling jerseys go wrong, could see ITV wanting to show that.
Dizeee said:
Ok so the breakdown is thus:
-Original LBS - Full replacement bike + gloves + helmet = £3490.50
Other LBS: (And all direct from same supplier the other bike shop use)
-Full De Rosa Merak front fork system - (last one available for the Merak in green already ordered)
-Replace left Athena carbon effect shifter + housing (single system rather than a pair, the only shop to offer this as an option)
-Replace internal and external gear and brake cables as required ( he showed me the wear, seems it needs doing )
-Front Fulcrum Quattro Wheel, on it's own... broken down from a pair ( negotiated in my presence)
-Prologo saddle, brand new at £55 ( I opted for this having transferred the old one to my Bianchi )
-Deda Black Bar Tape
-Labour for whole job at £70
Plus I will pass on a set of new Conti GP4000s for him to fit to the bike before pick up.
Total cost £800 plus a couple of quid, half of the total make up being the forks at £400.
Better than a refusal to play ball by another bike shop.
All easy jobs so why not save yourself the £70 and do the work yourself and learn a bit about bikes at the same time? I can't believe you're handing money to a bike shop to change your tyres. What do you do when you get a puncture out on a ride? Call the AA?-Original LBS - Full replacement bike + gloves + helmet = £3490.50
Other LBS: (And all direct from same supplier the other bike shop use)
-Full De Rosa Merak front fork system - (last one available for the Merak in green already ordered)
-Replace left Athena carbon effect shifter + housing (single system rather than a pair, the only shop to offer this as an option)
-Replace internal and external gear and brake cables as required ( he showed me the wear, seems it needs doing )
-Front Fulcrum Quattro Wheel, on it's own... broken down from a pair ( negotiated in my presence)
-Prologo saddle, brand new at £55 ( I opted for this having transferred the old one to my Bianchi )
-Deda Black Bar Tape
-Labour for whole job at £70
Plus I will pass on a set of new Conti GP4000s for him to fit to the bike before pick up.
Total cost £800 plus a couple of quid, half of the total make up being the forks at £400.
Better than a refusal to play ball by another bike shop.
Thinking about this, isn't the first shop right and the bike is a write off?
£3000 new, value after a year of use, £175-2000 (maybe a bit more due to KOM success)?
Cost to repair is almost 50% of the value prior to the crash, but the fact that it's been in a crash wipes several hundred pounds off the overall value, plus there can never be certainty that the frame is 100%.
£3000 new, value after a year of use, £175-2000 (maybe a bit more due to KOM success)?
Cost to repair is almost 50% of the value prior to the crash, but the fact that it's been in a crash wipes several hundred pounds off the overall value, plus there can never be certainty that the frame is 100%.
Fotic said:
I hate to go over old ground but at the start you claimed the frame had taken 'a bashing' and yet over on BR you say the bike was totally untouched apart from the wheel : http://www.bikeradar.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=40...
Did you just think 'I want a new bike to keep me interested'? Also the 'leg injury' that's fine to ride on the next day - if you're claiming for an injury, you want to hope the insurers don't see this thread as you'll be in trouble!
Quality thread that, do you think that the good people of Bike Radar have Dizeee sussed as well?Did you just think 'I want a new bike to keep me interested'? Also the 'leg injury' that's fine to ride on the next day - if you're claiming for an injury, you want to hope the insurers don't see this thread as you'll be in trouble!
neilski said:
What do you do when you get a puncture out on a ride? Call the AA?
Yes. And then post on here about the rum deal he had on obviously substandard tubes, tyres and wheels (the CX ones, should be literally bombproof). Then a whole new bike, natch, as he has lost all trust in this punctured one.Dizeee said:
I'm going to bring some closure to this thread as I am quite drained by it.
The bike is fixed. It's done ( I have seen it ). The bill is correct as it has been totted up in my presence. It's all familar and direct from the supplier that was used when I bought the bike. Bike Shop 2 have saved the day, and spent hours explaining, showing and "doing". Bike shop 1 have been, as always, slow, unresponsive and totally wrong. Parts they said were unavailable were available, things they said were unfixable have been fixed, and time they could have spent explaining anything to me has been non existant.
The crank / BB is just a glitch. I have had so much science and explanation about why / how / when and where the crank and BB or both would have done what they have done, it all boils down to bike shop 1. They serviced the BB not so long ago due to a creak, bike shop 2 have finished my repair job and gone to degrease my chain and parts as well as remove a rogue rubber bung that has seated itself at the bottom of the frame, and in doing so have had to remove the BB. As they have said, whoever went to remove the BB would have encountered the same problem. It was so tight and beyond the recommended 42nm that it was almost impossible to shift. They have been so good as to picture the issue, and go direct to the same supplier who supplied all the parts to make the bike good, and name bike shop 1 in an attempt to gain some support and ask of some financial recourse from me. Of course the work of bike shop 1 can never be proved, however they have been the only people who worked on the bike since I bought it new a year ago. Its a complex mechanical issue, and I struggle to explain it further, needless to say I have full trust in shop 2 and with their level of explanation, workmanship and effort I have full trust in them.
As for bike shop 2 they are a very long established business and the same mechanic dealing with this used to work on my mountain biles 6 years ago. He is well known for his ability and wish to please, plus his work has always been bang on.
There are loads more failures from bike shop 1 which I haven't even gone into in depth. Suffice to say, when you drop a bike off damaged, at the shop you bought it from, then hear nothing for the 6 days it has been there, and then collect it and take it home to have to put the chain back on the cog yourself and determine the gears and bike are ok, leaves a great deal of hard feeling. And this is just the start. There is so much more.
Result is, that I get my Carbon bike back soon, either with extra cost or not, but, I get it back. That for me is the ultimate result. And hopefully, the 1k I have spend getting it repaired may be met by her insurer in the future, but to be honest, I have learnt a bigger lesson.
Just don;t fking crash and for fk sake DO NOT trust shiny spangly bike shops who just want to sell you stuff and don't look after your needs first.
As for the original bike write off, and the insurance fraud that bubbles from it, I have no comment.
And I have decided to lay off this thread for a bit as it's nothing about Cipollini anymore. I'll post a pic of the Rosa next week when it's back. Having managed to shuffle the winter steed around my clubs 40 mile raining ride at over 21mph this morning I'm pretty excited to see it back all fixed and greased. Great to have it for the first time deconstructed and dealt with properly, rather than taken out the box and built up quick to sell.
Flounce...The bike is fixed. It's done ( I have seen it ). The bill is correct as it has been totted up in my presence. It's all familar and direct from the supplier that was used when I bought the bike. Bike Shop 2 have saved the day, and spent hours explaining, showing and "doing". Bike shop 1 have been, as always, slow, unresponsive and totally wrong. Parts they said were unavailable were available, things they said were unfixable have been fixed, and time they could have spent explaining anything to me has been non existant.
The crank / BB is just a glitch. I have had so much science and explanation about why / how / when and where the crank and BB or both would have done what they have done, it all boils down to bike shop 1. They serviced the BB not so long ago due to a creak, bike shop 2 have finished my repair job and gone to degrease my chain and parts as well as remove a rogue rubber bung that has seated itself at the bottom of the frame, and in doing so have had to remove the BB. As they have said, whoever went to remove the BB would have encountered the same problem. It was so tight and beyond the recommended 42nm that it was almost impossible to shift. They have been so good as to picture the issue, and go direct to the same supplier who supplied all the parts to make the bike good, and name bike shop 1 in an attempt to gain some support and ask of some financial recourse from me. Of course the work of bike shop 1 can never be proved, however they have been the only people who worked on the bike since I bought it new a year ago. Its a complex mechanical issue, and I struggle to explain it further, needless to say I have full trust in shop 2 and with their level of explanation, workmanship and effort I have full trust in them.
As for bike shop 2 they are a very long established business and the same mechanic dealing with this used to work on my mountain biles 6 years ago. He is well known for his ability and wish to please, plus his work has always been bang on.
There are loads more failures from bike shop 1 which I haven't even gone into in depth. Suffice to say, when you drop a bike off damaged, at the shop you bought it from, then hear nothing for the 6 days it has been there, and then collect it and take it home to have to put the chain back on the cog yourself and determine the gears and bike are ok, leaves a great deal of hard feeling. And this is just the start. There is so much more.
Result is, that I get my Carbon bike back soon, either with extra cost or not, but, I get it back. That for me is the ultimate result. And hopefully, the 1k I have spend getting it repaired may be met by her insurer in the future, but to be honest, I have learnt a bigger lesson.
Just don;t f
king crash and for fk sake DO NOT trust shiny spangly bike shops who just want to sell you stuff and don't look after your needs first.As for the original bike write off, and the insurance fraud that bubbles from it, I have no comment.
And I have decided to lay off this thread for a bit as it's nothing about Cipollini anymore. I'll post a pic of the Rosa next week when it's back. Having managed to shuffle the winter steed around my clubs 40 mile raining ride at over 21mph this morning I'm pretty excited to see it back all fixed and greased. Great to have it for the first time deconstructed and dealt with properly, rather than taken out the box and built up quick to sell.
Edited by Dizeee on Saturday 31st May 23:07
TwistingMyMelon said:
Its a shame hes gone, I quite enjoyed his threads (no sarcasm)
Anyone know the result of the insurance decision?
Well he is still riding around on something as I've just looked at his strava. Amusingly the bike shop he repeatedly slated on here is the one he goes out riding with so I guess they've all kissed and made up...Anyone know the result of the insurance decision?
ALawson said:
Fourmotion said:
I rode a TT with (as in the same one, not with) him post crash. He was there on the De Rosa. It seemed in full working order when I overtook him...
what's his strava account/name?But I'm sure we have all at some point introduced ourselves by PH username on the Strava group.
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