How deep would you go
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Considering changing wheelsets and would like some opinions on how deep is sensible for an everyday set. My current riding compramises a fair amount of hilly solo rides and usually 2 club rides per week. I also like the odd sportive and potentially would like to consider racing in the not too distant future.
I currently have a Zipp 404 rear, 303 front combo and it really is a very good all round wheelset. The issue I have with the Zipp's is that they seem very flexy especially on climbs and the rear seems to need re-tensioning a lot. I'm not the lightest at 88kg and tend to generate a fair bit of power. Get them on the flat stuff though and they are very quick indeed.
I love the idea of something like the Enve 65 clincher, main reasons being they seem to get great reviews and have no rider weight limit. They also have 24 spokes rear which I feel will help over the 20 spoke rear on my current 404. Is a 65mm rim depth a bit much on the front? Should I possibly look to get a Enve 45? Do crosswind's affect a 65mm rim depth far more than my current 45mm depth up front?
Willing to consider any other options as very much floating ideas around in my head at present, I do love a fast wheelset though, so please don't talk about shallow rims in this thread
I currently have a Zipp 404 rear, 303 front combo and it really is a very good all round wheelset. The issue I have with the Zipp's is that they seem very flexy especially on climbs and the rear seems to need re-tensioning a lot. I'm not the lightest at 88kg and tend to generate a fair bit of power. Get them on the flat stuff though and they are very quick indeed.
I love the idea of something like the Enve 65 clincher, main reasons being they seem to get great reviews and have no rider weight limit. They also have 24 spokes rear which I feel will help over the 20 spoke rear on my current 404. Is a 65mm rim depth a bit much on the front? Should I possibly look to get a Enve 45? Do crosswind's affect a 65mm rim depth far more than my current 45mm depth up front?
Willing to consider any other options as very much floating ideas around in my head at present, I do love a fast wheelset though, so please don't talk about shallow rims in this thread
The flex thing is likely just because you've got the lowest spoke version and are a bigger bloke, as you say. Carbon is very stiff one way, not so much the other...
Re depth, the difference will be noticeable in very strong winds, but its not likely to be an issue. I ride a 90mm front wheel on my TT bike in almost all events regardless of wind, UNLESS its mental. So I think you'd be fine, and it would take some wind to move 88kg
Try and go for more spokes if you can, Zipp did do a higher spoke count version for bigger riders, I'd be looking for more like 28 spoke rear 24 front if I were you, even with the enves.
Re depth, the difference will be noticeable in very strong winds, but its not likely to be an issue. I ride a 90mm front wheel on my TT bike in almost all events regardless of wind, UNLESS its mental. So I think you'd be fine, and it would take some wind to move 88kg
Try and go for more spokes if you can, Zipp did do a higher spoke count version for bigger riders, I'd be looking for more like 28 spoke rear 24 front if I were you, even with the enves.
I ride with 65mm enves on my race bike - they're the only wheels I use as I've got a powertap. Wind isn't an issue unless you're doing fast exposed descents. It can be a bit unnerving getting battered around by the wind at 50mph when the bike is all light and floaty already.
It's not such an issue that I think I need another set of wheels. I'm 72kg, so would be less bothersome for you I expect.
It's not such an issue that I think I need another set of wheels. I'm 72kg, so would be less bothersome for you I expect.
Do any of the larger riders on here (85kg+) have any experience of riding Enve's or alternatively Dura Ace C50's, specifically out the saddle climbing and lateral stiffness?
The more I read online the more it seems to suggest that no wheels are built for anyone heavy A lot of contradicting opinions and I'm talking any flavour of wheelset. I know I could get some hand made 32 spoke wheels, but I don't really consider myself to be that out of the norm to require them 
The more I read online the more it seems to suggest that no wheels are built for anyone heavy
A lot of contradicting opinions and I'm talking any flavour of wheelset. I know I could get some hand made 32 spoke wheels, but I don't really consider myself to be that out of the norm to require them I see you have the cash to spend money on Zipps, but... For the sake of +300g, at 70 quid, are expensive delicate wheels really worth it to anyone less than Tony Martin?
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/S...
They are very stiff too, I ride them more than my mavics. I guess its a mindset thing though, they may not feel expensive enough to be good, but they jolly are.
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/sp/road-track-bike/S...
They are very stiff too, I ride them more than my mavics. I guess its a mindset thing though, they may not feel expensive enough to be good, but they jolly are.
Trtj, with all due respect, you are answering a question that I haven't asked. Your point regarding plenty stiff enough does have some bearing though...
I currently have some training/winter wheels (a set of Mavic Aksiums) and they are very good, stiff wheels, so much so that I think I'm quicker up steep hills on these than my Zipps, hence my thread really. I would like to find a stiff aero wheel that's a great all rounder.
I currently have some training/winter wheels (a set of Mavic Aksiums) and they are very good, stiff wheels, so much so that I think I'm quicker up steep hills on these than my Zipps, hence my thread really. I would like to find a stiff aero wheel that's a great all rounder.
Trtj said:
Did you break a set then? If so, fair enough. But fancy wheels don't give you Watts.
Yes, they came on my first bike, when I was the same weight as OP, they lasted under 1000 miles, spokes pinging and breaking left right and center.Fancy wheels do give you watts. That is a fact.
Have you looked at Fast Forward wheels?
DT Swiss hubs, Sapim spokes top notch carbon fibre and a lot cheaper for the same spec as some of the "bigger" names.
Team Vacansoliel ride on them so they can't be that bad.
I have also just bought a set and find them to be excellent on the hills.
"Powerfully built type" here to
DT Swiss hubs, Sapim spokes top notch carbon fibre and a lot cheaper for the same spec as some of the "bigger" names.
Team Vacansoliel ride on them so they can't be that bad.
I have also just bought a set and find them to be excellent on the hills.
"Powerfully built type" here to
ChrisMCoupe said:
Trtj, with all due respect, you are answering a question that I haven't asked. Your point regarding plenty stiff enough does have some bearing though...
I currently have some training/winter wheels (a set of Mavic Aksiums) and they are very good, stiff wheels, so much so that I think I'm quicker up steep hills on these than my Zipps, hence my thread really. I would like to find a stiff aero wheel that's a great all rounder.
Dude you just need more spokes, that is really all it comes down to. And wheel flex will be costing you almost nothing up a hill, despite what it 'feels' like. Flog those zipps, and get some higher spoke count ones I currently have some training/winter wheels (a set of Mavic Aksiums) and they are very good, stiff wheels, so much so that I think I'm quicker up steep hills on these than my Zipps, hence my thread really. I would like to find a stiff aero wheel that's a great all rounder.
I know i was coming in from a completely different angle and maybe being a bit obtuse given your question, but its amazing how many people these days think £ = gains. I have ridden Carbone SLs and they seemed to be very stiff, although they were brand new. I borrowed a set of Campag bora for a foreign trip and these are my favourite, these i found very stiff. I am 90kg and i too find flexible wheels a pain!
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