ICE contact on a locked phone
Discussion
paranoid airbag said:
I know it's cliche and lentil muncher, and (please read this part) I'm certainly not blaming anyone here, but - the idea of cycling really wouldn't appeal to a newbie reading this thread, would it?
Why? It's personal choice, but can't see why wearing a £10 wrist band "just in case" would put anyone off.I would suggest the shiny kit thread is more likely to put newbies off.
If I'm injured the police are going to be involved - looking me up on their database using my driving license will do the job. If I've come off the bike its more than likely my phone is fooked, so an ICE contact is no good there.
Still don't see the advantage of some sort of wrist band over a driving license. The person helping me out probably has access to some database with my details on surely? Or am I putting too much faith in the NHS and police?
Still don't see the advantage of some sort of wrist band over a driving license. The person helping me out probably has access to some database with my details on surely? Or am I putting too much faith in the NHS and police?
I generally dont have my phone with me on a ride so I too have a RoadID which makes much more sense. If I am found in a heap at the roadside, the person who finds me will see the bracelet (if I'm wearing a long sleeve its over the top of the cuff) and call the numbers on it which to me is preferable than them having to think about where my phone might be as the chances are, if you have come off (hit and run) etc, your phone might not be on your person and be several metres away etc.
Westy Carl said:
Why? It's personal choice, but can't see why wearing a £10 wrist band "just in case" would put anyone off.
I would suggest the shiny kit thread is more likely to put newbies off.
It's absolutely personal choice, I'm not saying anyone should forgo one at all if they want it.I would suggest the shiny kit thread is more likely to put newbies off.
But knowing other people who do something are primarily concerned with protective gear and having their affairs in order - that doesn't cause you to re-evaluate how safe and responsible it is?
It's all very well saying "just in case" but for 99% of my activities, including ones that are alone, outside, it's just not worth thinking about any cases. I'd struggle to call any activity where it is worth not only thinking about, but tracking down and buying products for, "safe".
Edited by paranoid airbag on Wednesday 20th August 21:13
paranoid airbag said:
S10GTA said:
Same here, wear mine all the time.
Sorry for this again, but - all the time? All the time when cycling? All the time when out? All the time when out someplace unknown?Maybe I'm just comparatively young and free of dependents, and have the sense of invincibility that comes with that, but I've been away from civilisation plenty of times with minimal to no ICE stuff (i.e. bandage kit for hiking, maybe a mobile since I'm taking pictures anyway), and that would cause a twinge at best, certainly not enough to cause me to wear something that won't actually help me directly.
I know it's cliche and lentil muncher, and (please read this part) I'm certainly not blaming anyone here, but - the idea of cycling really wouldn't appeal to a newbie reading this thread, would it?
It's only since I had a kid that I've become more aware of my mortality I guess. Roads that I used to ride down at night without a care I don't even consider in the day now, I take a quieter route. I understand there is danger with riding on the road, but I try to be a bit more sensible than i was a few years ago.
RE the question about what is someone 60 miles away going to do, so what's the point in having ICE details?
They might not be able to do much, especially if I am dead, but having ICE details on you can remove the not knowing for others.
Fair enough. As PA says, totally personal choice.
I don't really like 'stuff' around sports and prefer the minimum of kit. My least favourite kit is safety kit and I think if I saw cycling as a dangerous activity I just wouldn't do it.
I was in Germany and Austria last week and it was a pleasure riding around Vienna in normal clothes without helmets and seeing everyone else doing the same. It felt liberating and nice and not at all like the hassle that UK cycling is, when you get people muttering and shaking their heads if you aren't 'geared up'.
On my more practical note, with ICE stuff, I hope the person they contact first is an ambulance driver. If I'm dead, or completely busted up, it's not going to make much difference to my girlfriend if she hears it now or a bit later. In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
I don't really like 'stuff' around sports and prefer the minimum of kit. My least favourite kit is safety kit and I think if I saw cycling as a dangerous activity I just wouldn't do it.
I was in Germany and Austria last week and it was a pleasure riding around Vienna in normal clothes without helmets and seeing everyone else doing the same. It felt liberating and nice and not at all like the hassle that UK cycling is, when you get people muttering and shaking their heads if you aren't 'geared up'.
On my more practical note, with ICE stuff, I hope the person they contact first is an ambulance driver. If I'm dead, or completely busted up, it's not going to make much difference to my girlfriend if she hears it now or a bit later. In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
Disastrous said:
Fair enough. As PA says, totally personal choice.
In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
But that's the whole point, how will the doc know who to call if you have no ID and are unconcious?In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
Westy Carl said:
Disastrous said:
Fair enough. As PA says, totally personal choice.
In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
But that's the whole point, how will the doc know who to call if you have no ID and are unconcious?In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
I don't really care, was also what I meant. I'd rather they stabilised me and the asked me and if they couldn't, I'm sure it would be pieced together fairly easily by lignin the report of the cyclist who never came home with the report of the unidentified dead cyclist they found.
It's really not hard to identify a John Doe who clearly isn't homeless/vagrant and at that point, seconds hardly count, do they?
Anyway, personal choice as I said. Just sounds like scaremongering and worrying about nothing to me. My missus would just stress if I got one of those wrist bands. "What's that?" "Oh, just a precaution...in case I don't come back...It's rough out there...I love you!"
Westy Carl said:
But that's the whole point, how will the doc know who to call if you have no ID and are unconcious?
That’s where I thought the use was. In fact that’s where I imagined everyone would’ve thought the use was. However thanks the ambiguity being pointed out maybe all ICE details should include:
Step 1 – call the emergency services.
However unlikely it might seem there is clearly a chance that when you’re discovered unconscious by the trail the person that happens upon you might call your mrs first to ask what to do.
Disastrous said:
It's really not hard to identify a John Doe who clearly isn't homeless/vagrant and at that point, seconds hardly count, do they?
So you've been stabilised but have no ID and are still unconcious, how do they identify you?Personally my family is happier that should the worst happen they'll get a call rather than just be at home worrying why I'm late.
Anyway, personal choice. I'm a MBT'er and just wear a helmet and ID band but no body armour, gloves or pads. Weird huh! For me overkill is being fully armoured up for the local wood
Westy Carl said:
So you've been stabilised but have no ID and are still unconcious, how do they identify you?
Personally my family is happier that should the worst happen they'll get a call rather than just be at home worrying why I'm late.
Wife: God, I'm so worried that he's not back yet...What if the worst has happened?Personally my family is happier that should the worst happen they'll get a call rather than just be at home worrying why I'm late.
>phone rings<
Doctor: It's the doctor - I'm afraid he's dead
Wife: What a relief! We were sitting here worrying!
Disastrous said:
Wife: God, I'm so worried that he's not back yet...What if the worst has happened?
>phone rings<
Doctor: It's the doctor - I'm afraid he's dead
Wife: What a relief! We were sitting here worrying!
30 seconds later>phone rings<
Doctor: It's the doctor - I'm afraid he's dead
Wife: What a relief! We were sitting here worrying!
Wife: Kids, quick go to the study and get the life insurance docs out.........
We were driving from Applecross to Sheldaig, NW Scotland, for those who dont know its fairly remote, minimal traffic, single carriage way with passing places, happen to find a motorcyclist in a ditch, he is concious but still shaken up and alone. It isnt an emergency, he is stable and between short breaths, says not to call an ambulance and his mates will come back and get him. I wasnt too keen on his plan but went with it, his mobile was in a pocket, I certainly wasnt moving him and he couldnt remember any numbers....
So it transpires, he was with a group of about ten riders, they all went out to "enjoy" the road and he came off, he was the last man hence no one saw it happen and their meet up place was about 10 miles up the road, even solo on a bike, their avg speed would not have been much more than 60 mph. After 30 minutes his mates come back to find him realising that he should have reached the rendezvous point by now, if he had some form of visible id on him with an ICE number, I could have called them rather than rely on them deciding when he had been "missing" long enough before retracing their steps.
My point is, had his condition become worse in the time between me finding him and his mates returning, I had no alternative but to call an ambulance, which I would have done regardless of whether he was wearing an ICE but as I said, I could have at least reduced the time it took his mates to find him...
My other poit is ICE bands also help the person who finds the casualty, most peopel are utterly useless in an emergency and panic.
So it transpires, he was with a group of about ten riders, they all went out to "enjoy" the road and he came off, he was the last man hence no one saw it happen and their meet up place was about 10 miles up the road, even solo on a bike, their avg speed would not have been much more than 60 mph. After 30 minutes his mates come back to find him realising that he should have reached the rendezvous point by now, if he had some form of visible id on him with an ICE number, I could have called them rather than rely on them deciding when he had been "missing" long enough before retracing their steps.
My point is, had his condition become worse in the time between me finding him and his mates returning, I had no alternative but to call an ambulance, which I would have done regardless of whether he was wearing an ICE but as I said, I could have at least reduced the time it took his mates to find him...
My other poit is ICE bands also help the person who finds the casualty, most peopel are utterly useless in an emergency and panic.
Disastrous said:
Fair enough. As PA says, totally personal choice.
I don't really like 'stuff' around sports and prefer the minimum of kit. My least favourite kit is safety kit and I think if I saw cycling as a dangerous activity I just wouldn't do it.
I was in Germany and Austria last week and it was a pleasure riding around Vienna in normal clothes without helmets and seeing everyone else doing the same. It felt liberating and nice and not at all like the hassle that UK cycling is, when you get people muttering and shaking their heads if you aren't 'geared up'.
On my more practical note, with ICE stuff, I hope the person they contact first is an ambulance driver. If I'm dead, or completely busted up, it's not going to make much difference to my girlfriend if she hears it now or a bit later. In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
+1. Again, I'd be mad to tell someone not to wear safety equipment if they want it.I don't really like 'stuff' around sports and prefer the minimum of kit. My least favourite kit is safety kit and I think if I saw cycling as a dangerous activity I just wouldn't do it.
I was in Germany and Austria last week and it was a pleasure riding around Vienna in normal clothes without helmets and seeing everyone else doing the same. It felt liberating and nice and not at all like the hassle that UK cycling is, when you get people muttering and shaking their heads if you aren't 'geared up'.
On my more practical note, with ICE stuff, I hope the person they contact first is an ambulance driver. If I'm dead, or completely busted up, it's not going to make much difference to my girlfriend if she hears it now or a bit later. In fact, I think I'd rather she was called later by a doctor who knew the actual situation rather than somebody in a panic at the roadside who doesn't know a damn thing beyond "he's not moving! I've called an ambulance!!!"
But we should be taking the piss, because it should sound totally ridiculous - like the women in the states carrying pepper spray whilst walking down the street in broad daylight "just in case". It's sad that it doesn't, and a little infuriating when someone says "who on earth would be put off cycling purely by the apparent need to carry next of kin details at all times?". Um, just about everbody.
paranoid airbag said:
+1. Again, I'd be mad to tell someone not to wear safety equipment if they want it.
But we should be taking the piss, because it should sound totally ridiculous - like the women in the states carrying pepper spray whilst walking down the street in broad daylight "just in case". It's sad that it doesn't, and a little infuriating when someone says "who on earth would be put off cycling purely by the apparent need to carry next of kin details at all times?". Um, just about everbody.
Sorry but thats just bullsBut we should be taking the piss, because it should sound totally ridiculous - like the women in the states carrying pepper spray whilst walking down the street in broad daylight "just in case". It's sad that it doesn't, and a little infuriating when someone says "who on earth would be put off cycling purely by the apparent need to carry next of kin details at all times?". Um, just about everbody.
t, no one would be put off cycling if they had to carry something in their wallet or on their person that had a few phone numbers on it. The only people who would claim its put them off cycling are the people who dont want to cycle and want another excuse to justify their decision. Most of us already have ICE info on us be it, a quick look through my wallet and I have emergency contact details on my BC membership card for example....
marting said:
If I'm injured the police are going to be involved - looking me up on their database using my driving license will do the job. If I've come off the bike its more than likely my phone is fooked, so an ICE contact is no good there.
Still don't see the advantage of some sort of wrist band over a driving license. The person helping me out probably has access to some database with my details on surely? Or am I putting too much faith in the NHS and police?
We don't usually phone next of kin in the event of a serious accident, we will usually send someone to the address. If you have your driving licence on you, then that is usually OK. If I'm going out and I remember, I usually have a fiver and my licence in my pocket, along with my phone.Still don't see the advantage of some sort of wrist band over a driving license. The person helping me out probably has access to some database with my details on surely? Or am I putting too much faith in the NHS and police?
It can't hurt to have extra emergency contact info though.
We once spent hours trying to track down next of kin for a dead motorcyclist.
pablo said:
Sorry but thats just bullst, no one would be put off cycling if they had to carry something in their wallet or on their person that had a few phone numbers on it. The only people who would claim its put them off cycling are the people who dont want to cycle and want another excuse to justify their decision.
Most of us already have ICE info on us be it, a quick look through my wallet and I have emergency contact details on my BC membership card for example....
Nah, you're just an idiot. Sorry but how do you lack the mental capacity to understand why "you should carry ICE details with you before doing X" leads a reasonable person to conclude "X is dangerous"? Absolutely nothing else I do requires that. That's such accepted logic it's the format of stock jokes.t, no one would be put off cycling if they had to carry something in their wallet or on their person that had a few phone numbers on it. The only people who would claim its put them off cycling are the people who dont want to cycle and want another excuse to justify their decision. Most of us already have ICE info on us be it, a quick look through my wallet and I have emergency contact details on my BC membership card for example....
Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 22 August 11:55
paranoid airbag said:
Nah, you're just an idiot. Sorry but how do you lack the mental capacity to understand why "you should carry ICE details with you before doing X" leads a reasonable person to conclude "X is dangerous"? Absolutely nothing else I do requires that. That's such accepted logic it's the format of stock jokes.
Ridiculous, ignore ICE details, carrying them whilst cycling is voluntary and it would appear, in the opinion of many, makes perfect common sense. lets apply your logic of undertaking some form of voluntary safety action prior to conducting an activity makes the reasonable person assume that activity is dangerous..... So when I next go walking in the hills, its common practice to put in your windscreen, details of your route and an ETA, is hill walking now considered by a "reasonable person" to be dangerous? Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 22 August 11:55
pablo said:
its common practice to put in your windscreen, details of your route and an ETA,
Is it?? Literally never seen this in years of living in the Highlands/hillwalking/skiing etc.It's normal to tell an actual person close to you where you're going and when you'll be back but who puts it in a car windscreen for strangers to see?
What are you supposed to do if it's 7pm and you see a car with a 4pm ETA note sitting in the carpark? Immediately call out the MR? And then look a right plonker when the bloke walks up having gone for a pint afterwards and forgotten to take the note out. Bizarre idea.
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