ICE contact on a locked phone

[Westy Carl]

paranoid airbag said:

Nah, you're just an idiot. Sorry but how do you lack the mental capacity to understand why "you should carry ICE details with you before doing X" leads a reasonable person to conclude "X is dangerous"? Absolutely nothing else I do requires that. That's such accepted logic it's the format of stock jokes.

Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 22 August 11:55

Jeez, I'm not driving again as people keep telling me to wear a seat belt as it's so dangerous. Back to cycling for me. Oh no, people tell me I need helmet, f**k that it must be even more dangerous. Walking only for me

[HereBeMonsters]

This is like all those free diaries I had when I was a kid, before I got with the times and went digital.

In the front, every single time, from the age of about 8, under "In case of emergency, please contact:" I wrote

"The emergency services

Telephone number: 999"

[paranoid airbag]

Westy Carl said:

Jeez, I'm not driving again as people keep telling me to wear a seat belt as it's so dangerous. Back to cycling for me. Oh no, people tell me I need helmet, f**k that it must be even more dangerous. Walking only for me

That pretty much sums up the attitudes of the people I've known, yes. Of which two have PhDs in physics, and a third is on the way to one.

One mother I know forbids their child from cycling without a helmet, another forbids their child from cycling at all. citing that exact logic whilst noting a helmet can't protect anything that isn't your head, thus a risk to your head that great must represent unacceptable risk to the rest of you (frankly, better logic than most helmet evangelists are capable of). Of the people I've spoken to from the netherlands, they've spontaneously ventured the proliferation of safety equipment as a reason they don't feel safe cycling here.

FTR I've never had someone tell me to take care when walking, or recommend leaving ICE stuff, despite the fact for me "walking" means multi-day hikes over dartmoor, the brecon beacons, the lake district and the highlands. Yet my parents and relatives always tell anyone driving over ten miles to take care. I've never ever seen this practise in any of those sites pablo, so no, it isn't common at all.

The sole exceptions are the people I know prefer driving in towns, reasoning the bigger thing wins in a low-speed collision, and are generally less comfortable with transport they don't nominally control, e.g. flying.

In short: you're living in a different world. That logic isn't a joke, it's how people actually work. You're just clueless.

[paranoid airbag]

Westy Carl said:

Oh no, people tell me I need helmet, f**k that it must be even more dangerous. Walking only for me

So that's not even merely commonly held logic. It's correct. If you're in a country where helmet use is common cycling is dangerous.

[Westy Carl]

paranoid airbag said:

That pretty much sums up the attitudes of the people I've known, yes. Of which two have PhDs in physics, and a third is on the way to one.

You're just clueless.

I agree, your friends are obviously much clever than me. I'll stop now

p.s. http://www.mcofs.org.uk/winter-essential-informati...

[Disastrous]

Westy Carl said:

paranoid airbag said:

That pretty much sums up the attitudes of the people I've known, yes. Of which two have PhDs in physics, and a third is on the way to one.

You're just clueless.

I agree, your friends are obviously much clever than me. I'll stop now

p.s. http://www.mcofs.org.uk/winter-essential-informati...

That does say the note should be left with a note holder, rather than in a car windscreen...

[paranoid airbag]

Westy Carl said:

I agree, your friends are obviously much clever than me. I'll stop now

p.s. http://www.mcofs.org.uk/winter-essential-informati...

Well, clearly they are. The above chart clearly shows the inference they make, and you mock, to be correct.

[marting]

paranoid airbag said:

Well, clearly they are. The above chart clearly shows the inference they make, and you mock, to be correct.

That's the worst graph I've ever seen. Let's try and ram as many variables as we can on one graph

[Jonnny]

My Cycling Club membership card has our details and my next of kin details printed on the back.

So I carry my bank card, Charlotteville CC card and driving licence - all in my phone case.

[Theoldfm]

Disastrous said:

This is just so alien to me. Is this such a pressing concern for so many?

Anyway, any ICE system that requires the first responder to know how Siri or Android or whatever to work is a stupid idea. People wouldn't even think to check and if they did, you'd have the wrong OS or whatever. And if it was an iPhone the battery would be flat.


When my old man climbed, he had a wee label with his blood type and emergency contact on his helmet. I assume all you safety-conscious chaps wear helmets so why not do that and give whoever finds your body a fighting chance of finding the details

Just tried it on my iphone.and Siri just came up with local supermarkets where I could buy ice from... Fantastic.

[Disastrous]

Theoldfm said:

Disastrous said:

This is just so alien to me. Is this such a pressing concern for so many?

Anyway, any ICE system that requires the first responder to know how Siri or Android or whatever to work is a stupid idea. People wouldn't even think to check and if they did, you'd have the wrong OS or whatever. And if it was an iPhone the battery would be flat.


When my old man climbed, he had a wee label with his blood type and emergency contact on his helmet. I assume all you safety-conscious chaps wear helmets so why not do that and give whoever finds your body a fighting chance of finding the details

Just tried it on my iphone.and Siri just came up with local supermarkets where I could buy ice from... Fantastic.

Outstanding! Don't knock the importance of a properly made martini in a first-responder situation.


Everyone should do this, NOW!

[Birdthom]

Paranoid overkill for some, sensible precaution for others. I'm often out on longish solo rides (sometimes abroad) with no means of identification if something happens. If a medic scoops me up somewhere in Southern Spain (or 30 miles from my house) then it would probably be useful for them to have some way of obtaining a bit of info about me. Might also be nice for my mrs to be able to come out and say hello at the hospital. No big deal, just a sensible and easy thing to do in the circumstances.

If you don't ride very often/far/fast then it's probably not worth fussing about ICE, but if you do enough miles for long enough then it's just a percentages game over the years. It should be fine, but you're exposing yourself to an elevated level of risk compared to Joe Average. Unfortunately I don't have any graphs or academic papers to back up this view, but then I don't spend much time trawling the internet for that kind of stuff.

Shall we get started on helmets again? That always seems to get Mr Airbag in full flow. I think they're brilliant too ;-)

[Woody]

AndrewEH1 said:

To copy across from the other thread for Android users:

Got an Android phone?

In the security settings you can add 'Owner's Information' to the lock screen. Put your ICE contact there.

(This might depend on what Android software is on your phone.)

Brilliant idea - done!

[Gilhooligan]

Tried this but when I used Siri, it kept suggesting Ace! Maybe Siri isn't quite up to scratch with Scottish accents.

[yellowjack]

Meh.

'ICE' contact details are overrated

When I was ttted by a van, and broke my shoulder, the opiates they administered meant I wasn't very coherent. It didn't much matter though, as when I got to the hospital, and someone asked me for contact details for my wife, the radiographer just said "I'll page her, she's working in x-ray". She was up to A&E within minutes.

I ride a lot in the evenings, just before sunset and into darkness. The wife worries. More about her lack of restful sleep than my safety, if we're honest ("I can't sleep unless I know you're home safe"). Where are you going? What route are you taking? are both common questions. My reply is usually along the lines of "Don't worry, the Police helicopter has IR sensors, it'll be fine. If they can't detect me, it's too late for help anyway".

Actually being solemnly serious for a second? I carry my phone in a jersey pocket, inside a neoprene 'sock' and along with it, my driving license wrapped in a tenner. I reckon that will be quite enough to be going on with. Or we could invent a system to give the entire population 'ZAP' numbers like the military use to identify casualties. We could sew them into/onto all our clothes, and solve the problem for everyone, in every sport and using all modes of transport...?

[Craikeybaby]

I thought I'd bump this thread as Apple have enabled emercency contact data on the lock screen via the Medical ID deature in the Health app.

[Soop Dogg]

paranoid airbag said:

Well, clearly they are. The above chart clearly shows the inference they make, and you mock, to be correct.

'Clearly'? Really?

I'd say that chart is misleading at best.

Firstly the data is almost 20 years out of date. (1996)

Secondly, the bars in the chart are in order of '% trips by cycle', not the % of people wearing a helmet, so the fatalities line tailing off to the right means nothing, although it superficially suggests a trend line.

Thirdly, where the % trips made by cycle is high, there is likely to be more money spent on cycling infrastructure to help reduce the accident rate. Particularly in the Netherlands (which has the highest % of trips by cycle according to the chart) where cycle paths are much more likely to be segregated from the roads where motor vehicles are travelling. This segregation leads to people feeling safer as they are further away from traffic and they are less inclined to wear a helmet anyway.

Fourthly, the fatalities axis is actually Fatalities per km travelled. If almost 100% of trips are made by cycle, there's likgely to be many, many more km's being cycled in that country. Therefore, if in that country they were cycling 3 times as many km as in another country, they could have twice the numbers of fatalities and still have fewer fatalites per km cycled. This may or may not have a relevance in the argument as there are so many other factors that can influence this.

(should I go on?)

That chart has sooo many things involved in it that I'd go so far as to say it has been deliberately designed to mislead or even to represent the data in a very specific way to make the statistics fit with a particular agenda.

The relationship between fatalities of cyclists and helmet wearing is not as simple as you make out.

[TedMaul]

MadDad said:

I have ICE details on the lock screen of my phone, but just in case it is lost during an accident I also wear one of these;



Available from here

That's very cool. My eldest, who has just turned 9 has anaphylaxis and is getting to that stage where he is out and about himself. Not got him a medical band yet as some of them are a bit dorky, these are cool, as above, Team Sky colours

Thanks, appreciate this

[Grandfondo]

A question for paranoid airbag.

You don't believe in helmets and now ice bangles.

What about high viz clothing and flashing lights or do you go for the stealth all in black look?

[drivin_me_nuts]

TedMaul said:

MadDad said:

I have ICE details on the lock screen of my phone, but just in case it is lost during an accident I also wear one of these;



Available from here

That's very cool. My eldest, who has just turned 9 has anaphylaxis and is getting to that stage where he is out and about himself. Not got him a medical band yet as some of them are a bit dorky, these are cool, as above, Team Sky colours

Thanks, appreciate this

Thanks to this thread I bought one of these - never knew they existed before. I tend to travel abroad a fair bit and it's useful to wear it out and about when I do. It just makes sense to me to carry something that identifies who I am when at times I carry no other identifiers.