Jeremy Vine busted for speeding

[v12Legs]

Turns out the speed limits do not apply to cyclists.
http://road.cc/content/news/136752-royal-parks-say...


(I should add that I have nothing but contempt for anyone who endangers another road user, no matter what vehicle they are using, so I'm certainly not suggesting it's OK to barrel along there scattering pedestrians like bowling pins)

[TKF]

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

[Antony Moxey]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

Because the speed limit on a motorway is equally as obscure as the speed limit on a shared cycle path in a park...

[yellowjack]

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

You know those signs at the top of the entry slip roads...

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4119802,-0.97360...

...they denote the "beginning of motorway regulations".

There's no requirement for an additional speed limit sign with one of those, unless there is a variation to the speed limits stated in the regulations for motorways.

Any half decent driver will know the limit appropriate to their vehicle class on a motorway

Cycle paths, oddly, don't normally have speed limits, signed of not. So it would be reasonable for any competent cyclist to presume, in the absence of signs to the contrary, that any speed which is not recklessly fast would be acceptable in such circumstances.

[Vipers]

They will,be giving joggers speeding tickets next.

[TKF]

yellowjack said:

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

tl;dr

The point is that neither has the limit posted. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

yellowjack said:

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

tl;dr

The point is that neither has the limit posted. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

You have to know the speed limit to pass your test, it is known to a driver.

A cyclist has no speed measuring device and the limit is unknown.

[Dammit]

TKF said:

The point is that neither has the limit posted. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

It's not a law - there are no speed limits for a bicycle, why would people know something that doesn't exist?

It's like expecting people to know the speed limit for a wardrobe in a cattle field.

[TKF]

What a bizarre argument. There is a limit in the park, Vine exceeded the limit and got stopped by the park authorities.

I'm not defending the silly rule but merely pointing out that a defence of "I didn't know about the rule and anyway I can't measure my speed" is a pathetic defence.

If a Polish driver came here in a car with a faulty speedo should we let him off for doing 100mph on the M4?

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

What a bizarre argument. There is a limit in the park, Vine exceeded the limit and got stopped by the park authorities.

I'm not defending the silly rule but merely pointing out that a defence of "I didn't know about the rule and anyway I can't measure my speed" is a pathetic defence.

If a Polish driver came here in a car with a faulty speedo should we let him off for doing 100mph on the M4?

There is no need for pathetic analogies, just discuss the point.

[TKF]

OK then the point is Vine exceeded the limit and got caught. The End.

[Dammit]

What limit? The 5mph limit for motorised vehicles when on the path?

[TKF]

Dammit said:

What limit? The 5mph limit for motorised vehicles when on the path?

No. The 5mph limit for cyclists/rollerbladers/etc. in that particular area of Hyde Park. You might have heard in the news that Radio 2 DJ Jeremy Vine was caught and stopped by the Park authorities for exceeding the limit?

[WinstonWolf]

TKF said:

Dammit said:

What limit? The 5mph limit for motorised vehicles when on the path?

No. The 5mph limit for cyclists/rollerbladers/etc. in that particular area of Hyde Park. You might have heard in the news that Radio 2 DJ Jeremy Vine was caught and stopped by the Park authorities for exceeding the limit?

What point does an unposted limit serve?

[Antony Moxey]

TKF said:

yellowjack said:

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

tl;dr

The point is that neither has the limit posted. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

The point actually is that the park speed limit ISN'T the law, and neither is it the law to have a speed measuring device on your bike. Even then, if the law was a 5mph limit, and you knew it was a 5mph limit, you have no way of measuring that as there's no law requiring you to be able to measure it.

[v12Legs]

See my link above: the limit doesn't apply to cycles.

[Mave]

TKF said:

What a bizarre argument. There is a limit in the park, Vine exceeded the limit and got stopped by the park authorities.

I'm not defending the silly rule but merely pointing out that a defence of "I didn't know about the rule and anyway I can't measure my speed" is a pathetic defence.

If a Polish driver came here in a car with a faulty speedo should we let him off for doing 100mph on the M4?

You would expect a Polish driver to know that there are always speed limits for cars on roads, and therefore he should expect to try to find out what they are.

There are generally no speed limits for cyclists in parks and so if a park decides to introduce a new "rule" which is out of the ordinary, then it needs to make sure that these rules are well signposted if it wants them followed.

[LocoCoco]

WinstonWolf said:

TKF said:

yellowjack said:

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

tl;dr

The point is that neither has the limit posted. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

You have to know the speed limit to pass your test, it is known to a driver.

A cyclist has no speed measuring device and the limit is unknown.

They don't test your knowledge of every law on your driving test. Many people guess correctly or get lucky with questions and pass their tests with gaps in their knowledge.

You can pass your driving test having never gone near a motorway, millions of people live too far away from one.

That poster's comparison works just fine.

[Mave]

LocoCoco said:

WinstonWolf said:

TKF said:

yellowjack said:

TKF said:

WinstonWolf said:

And how do you know the limit is 5MPH when it isn't posted?

What's the speed limit on the M4?

tl;dr

The point is that neither has the limit posted. Ignorance of the law is no defence.

You have to know the speed limit to pass your test, it is known to a driver.

A cyclist has no speed measuring device and the limit is unknown.

They don't test your knowledge of every law on your driving test. Many people guess correctly or get lucky with questions and pass their tests with gaps in their knowledge.

You can pass your driving test having never gone near a motorway, millions of people live too far away from one.

That poster's comparison works just fine.

Its a comparison between being pulled for breaking a rule that's in the highway code and so you SHOULD have learned; and being pulled for breaking a rule that isn't in the highway code or road traffic act.

[v12Legs]

Bloody hell, if a police officer had pulled a driver over for breaking a nonexistent speed limit, this forum would be falling over themselves to criticise the police and exonerate the driver.