Does This Bike Exist?

[Fastpedeller]

Celtic Dragon said:

Hydro's on roadies are available but it seems in limited makes and numbers (UCI hasn't sanctioned them for racing yet I believe, once it happens I can see rim brakes going the way of the dodo)

I hope this isn't the case. For most of us disc brakes are merely yet another way of prising money out of our wallets.
Rim brakes are good unless you are doing a lot of off road. The argument that 'disc are better in the wet' just doesn't hold water (no pun intended)...... When the road is wet you don't want masses of braking likely to lock up the wheels causing a slide - the reduced braking for rim brakes is an ideal match for the reduced adhesion on the road! (I'm thinking alloy rims here, I agree steel rims are lethal). Rim brakes are also lighter, easier to maintain etc.

[Dammit]

Fastpedeller said:

I hope this isn't the case. For most of us disc brakes are merely yet another way of prising money out of our wallets.
Rim brakes are good unless you are doing a lot of off road. The argument that 'disc are better in the wet' just doesn't hold water (no pun intended)...... When the road is wet you don't want masses of braking likely to lock up the wheels causing a slide - the reduced braking for rim brakes is an ideal match for the reduced adhesion on the road! (I'm thinking alloy rims here, I agree steel rims are lethal). Rim brakes are also lighter, easier to maintain etc.

I'm afraid I have to degree - very strongly, actually.

There is almost no comparison between rim brakes and disc brakes in the wet, especially fully hydraulic disc brakes.

When the road is wet you do want braking - not the "pull lever, wait an agonising second for the water to scrub off the rims, THEN get weak braking".

It's a myth that disc brakes operate like a light switch - they have very good modulation, I've never locked up the front even in very heavy rain, I've just had powerful, predictable (and yes, sometimes noisy) braking.

Rim brakes are lighter, but then disc brake rims don't need a braking surface, so the area of the wheel that makes the biggest difference in terms of weight can be lighter.

Finally - how are rim brakes easier to maintain? Hydraulic hose just works, and disc brakes adjust as the pad wears down - you don't have to wind the adjuster in, mess around with toeing in new pads, and re-cabling your bike every six months to a year vanishes from your maintenance calendar.

I've got rim brakes on my race bike (EE Cycleworks, which are excellent), and on my 1998 Serotta CSi, but all the others are now disc.

Rim brakes will go the way of quill stems very shortly - they work, they worked for a long time, you may prefer the aesthetic - but they are yesterdays technology.

I love this bike:



But the brakes simply don't hold a candle to the ones on this bike:



Both bikes are the latest Ultegra, double pivot caliper brakes on the Serotta, fully hydraulic on the Time Machine.

[dr_gn]

I couldn't agree more about discs being way, way superior to rim brakes. As soon as they became available (in about '97 IIRC) I bought Hope Hydro's for my mountain bike and never looked back.

Rim brakes, in my opionion have always been on the edge of what's acceptable to ask of a large diameter, relatively unstable hoop; discs are undoubtedly the better engineering solution.

Having said that, the quality of the discs makes a huge difference: The Avid's I had on my Stumpjumper were hopeless - worse than V-brakes by a long way, but the Shimano XT's that replaced them are in a totally different league. Same with the Hope Hydro (C2)'s I have on both my ancient hardtail mountain bike and old Marin Mount Vison (see "1000 Bikes to Dream of Riding Before You Die" - that's my actual bike!). They are very good even considernig their age:

[Shuttle Cock]

If you don't mind sticking with cable discs, then the latest Giant Defy Advanced 2 for £1399, although I'm sure you could get some discount from an LBS.

http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-gb/bikes/model/de...

[ecsrobin]

dudleybloke said:

Budget creep gets you Ti with hydro.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPICKRIV22HRD/on-o...



Only £1,279.99 with that discount code. Bloody bargain!

Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 23 November 01:44

Get this!!!!!

And to counteract the added weight eat a few less pies

[ALawson]

dr_gn said:

I couldn't agree more about discs being way, way superior to rim brakes. As soon as they became available (in about '97 IIRC) I bought Hope Hydro's for my mountain bike and never looked back.

Rim brakes, in my opionion have always been on the edge of what's acceptable to ask of a large diameter, relatively unstable hoop; discs are undoubtedly the better engineering solution.

Having said that, the quality of the discs makes a huge difference: The Avid's I had on my Stumpjumper were hopeless - worse than V-brakes by a long way, but the Shimano XT's that replaced them are in a totally different league. Same with the Hope Hydro (C2)'s I have on both my ancient hardtail mountain bike and old Marin Mount Vison (see "1000 Bikes to Dream of Riding Before You Die" - that's my actual bike!). They are very good even considernig their age:

I broke three of those Marin frames, started with a quake 9, then got a mount vision and then two more. It got stolen from my parents with original bombers and big Un's all round. For a 1999-2000 bike it was lovely!

Disks will eventually replace rim brakes, and then there will be another aero development of non braked rims as well as aero callipers for the disks, weight reduction etc etc!

[bigtomski]

dudleybloke said:

Budget creep gets you Ti with hydro.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPICKRIV22HRD/on-o...



Only £1,279.99 with that discount code. Bloody bargain!

Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 23 November 01:44

I'm looking for a similar type bike to the OP and if that had mudguard mounts that would pretty much be the ideal bike especially at that price!

[ecsrobin]

bigtomski said:

I'm looking for a similar type bike to the OP and if that had mudguard mounts that would pretty much be the ideal bike especially at that price!

Next you'll want pannier racks fitted.

What about fitting crud catchers?

[Dammit]

[Pelo]

Evans has the new niche of "adventure" road bikes which would fit most of the requirements, Carbon budget excepted.

[Dammit]

dudleybloke said:

Budget creep gets you Ti with hydro.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPICKRIV22HRD/on-o...



Only £1,279.99 with that discount code. Bloody bargain!

Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 23 November 01:44

Isn't there an issue with this frame with regards to chainring size? As in, you can't run above a certain size without hitting the chain stay?

[dr_gn]

ALawson said:

dr_gn said:

I couldn't agree more about discs being way, way superior to rim brakes. As soon as they became available (in about '97 IIRC) I bought Hope Hydro's for my mountain bike and never looked back.

Rim brakes, in my opionion have always been on the edge of what's acceptable to ask of a large diameter, relatively unstable hoop; discs are undoubtedly the better engineering solution.

Having said that, the quality of the discs makes a huge difference: The Avid's I had on my Stumpjumper were hopeless - worse than V-brakes by a long way, but the Shimano XT's that replaced them are in a totally different league. Same with the Hope Hydro (C2)'s I have on both my ancient hardtail mountain bike and old Marin Mount Vison (see "1000 Bikes to Dream of Riding Before You Die" - that's my actual bike!). They are very good even considernig their age:

I broke three of those Marin frames, started with a quake 9, then got a mount vision and then two more. It got stolen from my parents with original bombers and big Un's all round. For a 1999-2000 bike it was lovely!

Disks will eventually replace rim brakes, and then there will be another aero development of non braked rims as well as aero callipers for the disks, weight reduction etc etc!

That frame has done a few thousand miles in the Peak district over the 15 years I was using it, never had any issue atall, even with the MK.1 swingarm. I did weigh less than 70kg for most of that era though. I'm currently struggling to keep below 75kg, and a road bike will hopefully help with this.

[dr_gn]

bigtomski said:

dudleybloke said:

Budget creep gets you Ti with hydro.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPICKRIV22HRD/on-o...



Only £1,279.99 with that discount code. Bloody bargain!

Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 23 November 01:44

I'm looking for a similar type bike to the OP and if that had mudguard mounts that would pretty much be the ideal bike especially at that price!

I read some fourum posts abuot that bike, and one of them alluded to Planet-X adding mudguard lugs and tweaking the geometry more toward road use. I will find our some more tomorrow lunchtime hopefully.

[dr_gn]

ecsrobin said:

dudleybloke said:

Budget creep gets you Ti with hydro.

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOOPICKRIV22HRD/on-o...



Only £1,279.99 with that discount code. Bloody bargain!

Edited by dudleybloke on Sunday 23 November 01:44

Get this!!!!!

And to counteract the added weight eat a few less pies

Might be able to get slightly lighter wheels to get it down to my target weight and still keep within budget. I do love that frame.

[ALawson]

75kg is my target, used to be 70kg before uni, 75kg when I left. I was 92kg 2 years ago, now stuck at 81, then again I still eat the wrong stuff but circa 5k km a year is loosing the weight nicely.

When I get to 75kg I might think about a new bike!

[dr_gn]

ALawson said:

75kg is my target, used to be 70kg before uni, 75kg when I left. I was 92kg 2 years ago, now stuck at 81, then again I still eat the wrong stuff but circa 5k km a year is loosing the weight nicely.

When I get to 75kg I might think about a new bike!

Two weeks ago, finally, I completely cut out crisps, chocolate, soft drinks and biscuits, and started running twice a week. I'm 44, and enough is enough. Every ache and pain is more and more noticable the older I get.The money I save will help to pay for this road bike so that I can get out more from home without having to pack the mountain bike in the car and drive first.

[ALawson]

I dropped diet coke 3-4 New Years ago, following year was crisps, year after all fizzy drinks (bar water and beer), still eat some crap and non potatoe crisps but as long as my base calorie intake is non weight gain then every 3600 calorie ride is another pound of fat gone!

If I was serious about weight loss I would ditch the booze, perhaps just cut back on it but I am only having 4-5 beers a weekend!

[ecsrobin]

Wow I don't feel fat or really look it being 6,3" but I'm pushing about 100kg I've cut out the booze but ive ended up with the sweetest tooth going. I'm upping my riding as I want/need to be closer to 80-85kg but need to kick the chocolate and wine gums.

[ALawson]

Do you still fit in the navigator flight suit?!

Wine gums are another poison, red and blacks......or Haribo Bears!

[ecsrobin]

ALawson said:

Do you still fit in the navigator flight suit?!

Wine gums are another poison, red and blacks......or Haribo Bears!

I wasn't a nav or a pilot but my biggest problem was short legs long body in my flight suits.

The problem is when thinking about giving up I go for a ride so take buttery flapjacks or jelly babies damn you energy.

Anyway back to topic.

So are you going to size the Ti bike up or have you seen anything else Dr_gn