Does This Bike Exist?

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dr_gn

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16,140 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Guys,

After much continuing research on which road bike to buy, I'd settled on a Canyon Endurace.

I started off wanting a no compromise racing bike, but having talked to a few people about it, it seems the local roads would make actually riding one pretty painful.

I want to do rides up to about 40 miles, it's hilly around where I live (North of Sheffield/Peak District), so I want something as light as possible.

It seems that my ideal bike would have:

1) More relaxed geometry than a full race bike.

2) Weigh around 8-9kg.

3) Shimano 105 or equivalent gears / crankset etc.

4) Decent wheels.

5) Wider tyres than a full race bike.

I'd also like:

4) Hydraulic disc brakes.

5) Carbon frame.

Does a bike like this exist? Budget is around £1200.

I don't mind building a bike up from components, but this seems a more expensive option than buying a complete bike in many cases.

Cheers.

Celtic Dragon

3,160 posts

234 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Try the link below if you don't mind dropping the hydro brakes, either that your you are looking at cyclocross bikes. I just specced it with 105 and Fulcrum 5's and it came to £1175.

Hydro's on roadies are available but it seems in limited makes and numbers (UCI hasn't sanctioned them for racing yet I believe, once it happens I can see rim brakes going the way of the dodo)

http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/bbd/road-track-bike/...

GaryGlitter

1,924 posts

182 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Go to Planet X and try one of these for size:

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBPXLDNRIV/planet-x-l...

Use code UKSTAFFCDR20 to take the price down to £800 and spend the other £400 on a wheel upgrade?

Johno

8,401 posts

281 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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No it doesn't exist with hydro brakes and carbon frame.

Cannondale synapse disc, ridley fenix disc c30 or c10 are my preferred offerings. There are lots, but the money being asked is a lot.. I've looked high and low as well and as the options for hydro brakes with integrated shifters are limited, add in limited carbon frames with appropriate forks etc etc and you end up at about 2 - 2.5k.

I'm torn between the Ridley and the Cannondale ....

Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Not at your price point but have a look at Whyte bikes. Plenty of carbon and all have disc brakes.

dr_gn

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16,140 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Thanks guys.

I've been to Planet-X a few times to have a poke around and their stuff looks OK. My initial choice was in fact the Carbon Ultrgra, but as I said, I now realise I'd be better with something less extreme.

I really don't like rim brakes, so at a push a mechanical disc setup would be OK, assuming I could switch to hydraulics when they mature for road bikes (I tend to keep my bikes for a long time compared with some people!). Basically if the frame has disc mounts that would be a tick. I guess that eliminates the Ribble?

Re. cyclocross bikes, I'm not fussed what the bike is designated as, so long as it meets the requirements I listed in my O/P.

I'll look at teh Whyte bikes a bit later.

Cheers.

duff

976 posts

198 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Unless you have a back problem I wouldn't rule out race oriented bikes - I have a Supersix and it's comfortable enough, the Foil I had before was very stiff. 40 miles isn't too long in the saddle so some 25mm tyres and good saddle/stem set up and nice tape should improve comfort.

Rose do some good disc road bikes and you can customise the spec - you wont get carbon and hydraulic brakes in your budget though.

Celtic Dragon

3,160 posts

234 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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dr_gn said:
Thanks guys.

I've been to Planet-X a few times to have a poke around and their stuff looks OK. My initial choice was in fact the Carbon Ultrgra, but as I said, I now realise I'd be better with something less extreme.

I really don't like rim brakes, so at a push a mechanical disc setup would be OK, assuming I could switch to hydraulics when they mature for road bikes (I tend to keep my bikes for a long time compared with some people!). Basically if the frame has disc mounts that would be a tick. I guess that eliminates the Ribble?

Re. cyclocross bikes, I'm not fussed what the bike is designated as, so long as it meets the requirements I listed in my O/P.

I'll look at teh Whyte bikes a bit later.

Cheers.
Your insistence on disc brakes rules out 99,5% of all road bikes inc the Ribbles. To get discs you will be looking at cyclocross bikes where discs are allowed at uci level. What your budget will get in that category I will leave to others as I know nothing of them except for the Kona super jake and thats more than your budget.

Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Like I said, Whyte does do road bikes with hydraulic discs but they're out of the stated budget.

Stowe Rival - £1999



http://whyte.bike/gb/models/road/rrd-carbon-road-d...

Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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There's a cheaper one with all the requirements (hydraulics and carbon).

Whyte Cornwall - £1799



http://whyte.bike/gb/models/commuterroad/rd-7-road...


This one looks good value to me.

dr_gn

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16,140 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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OK then, I guess the other question is:

"Are my requirements reasonable?"

Since there appear to be no bikes at a decent price with what I was looking for, am I on the wrong lines by wanting a road bike with larger tyres, less extreme geometry and discs at around 8kg, or is it simply the disc requirement that's killing it?

So far, I've been road riding with my mountain bike (suspension locked out) and sometimes even that feels a bit harsh on some roads around here. Obviously many roads are fine, especially with the TdF passing within a mile of my house this year, but many of my cycling pals say that narrow, high pressure tyres are not the way to go for me.

ecsrobin

17,018 posts

164 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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dr_gn said:
It seems that my ideal bike would have:

1) More relaxed geometry than a full race bike.

2) Weigh around 8-9kg.

3) Shimano 105 or equivalent gears / crankset etc.

4) Decent wheels.

5) Wider tyres than a full race bike.

I'd also like:

4) Hydraulic disc brakes.

5) Carbon frame.

Does a bike like this exist? Budget is around £1200.

I don't mind building a bike up from components, but this seems a more expensive option than buying a complete bike in many cases.

Cheers.
A bike does not exist.

Building a bike ends up cheaper as your not upgrading parts 6 months down the line as a complete bike will have a compromise.

For a bike to match your requirements is £600+ over your budget. I would forget about carbon as you specifically want discs.

As others have said the disc requirement really means your looking at a cyclocross bike and for your budget I'd really look at cable discs otherwise you'll be suffering elsewhere like the groupset.

Celtic Dragon

3,160 posts

234 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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dr_gn said:
is it simply the disc requirement that's killing it?
Its the Disc and Carbon requirement combined with the budget thats limiting your choice to 0.

If you were to drop the discs, then the world becomes your oyster, and TBH, rim brakes with decent pads aren't that bad. Yes they are not as powerful as discs, but don't write them off totally. A change to Swisstop pads improved mine no end.

If you drop the carbon, then cyclocross bikes are the ones to look at. At £1200, you will get a very nice one too, either in Ali or steel, and still be about the 9kg marker.

Your last choice is to add another £1000 to the budget.

dr_gn

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16,140 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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How about this:

http://www.planetx.co.uk/i/q/CBOODDRIV/on-one-dirt...

I have no idea what the practical difference between a road and cyclocross bike is to be honest.

I know that the Planet-x guys are easy enough to negotiate with, maybe I shuold go and have a chat with them. They also know all about the roads local to me becasue they are only a few miles away.

Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Celtic Dragon said:
Your last choice is to add another £1000 to the budget.
£600 would do it. See above.

dr_gn

Original Poster:

16,140 posts

183 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Watchman said:
Celtic Dragon said:
Your last choice is to add another £1000 to the budget.
£400 would do it. See above.
The tyres are tiny, and there may not be enogh clearance to fit wider ones.

I've been told that narrow, high pressure tyres will kill my arms and backside around here in no time, hence my request for wide tyres.

ALawson

7,814 posts

250 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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I was apprehensive about rim brakes having been used to Hope Big Un's on a previous MTB, even the crappy Tiagra I got have haven't ever had me worried.

What about a CAAD10?

Edit- I have run 23mm at 100-110 psi on Fulcrum 3s (bike is a specilaized Roubaix) never had any issues and that up to 170km rides over mixed road surfaces.

Edited by ALawson on Saturday 22 November 19:30

Celtic Dragon

3,160 posts

234 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Dr Gn, do not worry about width of the tyres. I run 25c's (25mm roughly)and they are fine, and you can get wider ones too up to 35c (35mm roughly) for CX bikes.

I had the same fear coming from a MTB background, but 25c's feel fine to me, just remember to stand up when going over rough stuff.

Watchman

6,391 posts

244 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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dr_gn said:
Watchman said:
Celtic Dragon said:
Your last choice is to add another £1000 to the budget.
£400 would do it. See above.
The tyres are tiny, and there may not be enogh clearance to fit wider ones.

I've been told that narrow, high pressure tyres will kill my arms and backside around here in no time, hence my request for wide tyres.
Actually that is a good point. I've a Whyte on 28mm tyres, and it won't take anything bigger (even the 33mm CX tyres I once bought) because the chainstays are very close.

Celtic Dragon

3,160 posts

234 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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My Ribble won't take anything above 25c, and then I have to deflate the rear to remove the wheel from the frame.