Lance , i should be should be forgiven
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I traveled down to FranceTwice to see the man supported him when the French called him a cheat etc my boy was then riding under 23s for GB and looked up to him as did a lot of folk turns out he was a total cheating basted and he should never be forgiven , even says he would do it again total wast of space!!!!!!!!
so let me see, you hate him for talking BS for years, now you hate him for being honest?
So what about every other sports person who has cheated whether it is doping or match fixing, ball tampering ad infinitum do we say that they must never be forgiven, never be allowed to participate again etc?
Man o man I really hope that none of you or any of your loved ones ever needs forgiveness as they say Karma is a b
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So what about every other sports person who has cheated whether it is doping or match fixing, ball tampering ad infinitum do we say that they must never be forgiven, never be allowed to participate again etc?
Man o man I really hope that none of you or any of your loved ones ever needs forgiveness as they say Karma is a b
hWGAF? I just get massively annoyed with the cycling press who still cant fall over themselves quick enough to run a Lance feature and ignore all the emerging British talent in the UK at the moment, why cant they devote their time to championing the likes of Owain Doull, Teo Geogaghan Hart and Jon Dibben? Surely no cyclist actually cares what Lance has to say...
I heard the interview and he basically said that by cheating he raised a lot of money for cancer so its ok because had he not cheated, they wouldnt have had as much funding... what a prize tt.
I heard the interview and he basically said that by cheating he raised a lot of money for cancer so its ok because had he not cheated, they wouldnt have had as much funding... what a prize t
t.pablo said:
WGAF? I just get massively annoyed with the cycling press who still cant fall over themselves quick enough to run a Lance feature and ignore all the emerging British talent in the UK at the moment, why cant they devote their time to championing the likes of Owain Doull, Teo Geogaghan Hart and Jon Dibben? Surely no cyclist actually cares what Lance has to say...
maybe as well as a zero tolerance policy on drugs we should also impose a total media ban too.I think a line still needs to be drawn but giving Astana a License wasn't a good start.
Yes he cheated, he ruined the sport as far as many casual spectators (inc TV spectators) the only thing I can say in his defence is that it was apparently rife throughout the upper eschelons of the sport. Pantani, Reis, Ulrich etc Some died, some never returned, some became team managers.
Unfortunatley, sport is FULL of cheats from the guy in club mototsport with the 1500cc car in the 1400 class, Maradona and his hand of god, the guy who deliberately holds back the attacker in football, the guy who deliberately crashes into his opponent so that he can win the F1 title...
Unfortunatley, sport is FULL of cheats from the guy in club mototsport with the 1500cc car in the 1400 class, Maradona and his hand of god, the guy who deliberately holds back the attacker in football, the guy who deliberately crashes into his opponent so that he can win the F1 title...
He just doesn't get it does he?
I don't think the fact he lied or doped really irks anyone now, we all feel a bit cheated that our beloved sport was 'dirty' but it has to be said that the dirty years produced some amazing races, and iconic moments.
It is now well documented that a lot of the peloton were doping, others who have come clean echo his sentiment that if you wanted to compete you had no choice but to dope. The difference is the majority of others who admit to doping also admit it was their choice - albeit a heavily weighted one. Also, others seem genuinely remorseful of their involvement and have taken steps to heal the sport. I have just finished George Hincapie's book, he is open about doping, how it worked, the methods used to fool the testers etc but he also seems genuinely remorseful at his involvement and put a lot of effort into trying to help clean the sport up (or at least if you believe what is written in his book).
The difference with Lance is that he is never wrong, it was never his fault or choice, he should not be punished because not everyone else was, his punishment is depriving charities of revenue he would be generating for them, he was not a bully - just demanding.........
His own personality is his biggest enemy, every time he gets a public platform he seems to slur/blame/berate others and portrays himself as an innocent victim of circumstance!
He still seems totally oblivious that it's not the doping that pi@@es everyone off - it's his attitude and flat refusal to show any real regret or remorse!
I don't think the fact he lied or doped really irks anyone now, we all feel a bit cheated that our beloved sport was 'dirty' but it has to be said that the dirty years produced some amazing races, and iconic moments.
It is now well documented that a lot of the peloton were doping, others who have come clean echo his sentiment that if you wanted to compete you had no choice but to dope. The difference is the majority of others who admit to doping also admit it was their choice - albeit a heavily weighted one. Also, others seem genuinely remorseful of their involvement and have taken steps to heal the sport. I have just finished George Hincapie's book, he is open about doping, how it worked, the methods used to fool the testers etc but he also seems genuinely remorseful at his involvement and put a lot of effort into trying to help clean the sport up (or at least if you believe what is written in his book).
The difference with Lance is that he is never wrong, it was never his fault or choice, he should not be punished because not everyone else was, his punishment is depriving charities of revenue he would be generating for them, he was not a bully - just demanding.........
His own personality is his biggest enemy, every time he gets a public platform he seems to slur/blame/berate others and portrays himself as an innocent victim of circumstance!
He still seems totally oblivious that it's not the doping that pi@@es everyone off - it's his attitude and flat refusal to show any real regret or remorse!
MadDad said:
George Hincapie
George Hincapie may well have confessed to doping but only after he'd finished cycling and made a st load of money off the back of Lance Armstrong's success. Did the book, got the clothing line, all off the back of being a doper. Take away the fact that Armstong's such a twot, Hincapie is no better.Is he a cheat ...... yes of course he is.
Has he been made a scapegoat by the UCI for years of neglect and turning a blind eye....yes definitely.
He is no more guilty than any others who have cheated his problem is his profile and standing.
I said I liked him as a competitor but I don't think I like him as a person.
The UCI have virtually got of scot free when in reality they have been at the heart of the problem for over 50 years.
What do they do with a team who have serial cheats in their team they give them a license to race.
Lets get the UCI sorted and a zero tolerance and life time bans in place then cycling will be just fine.
Has he been made a scapegoat by the UCI for years of neglect and turning a blind eye....yes definitely.
He is no more guilty than any others who have cheated his problem is his profile and standing.
I said I liked him as a competitor but I don't think I like him as a person.
The UCI have virtually got of scot free when in reality they have been at the heart of the problem for over 50 years.
What do they do with a team who have serial cheats in their team they give them a license to race.
Lets get the UCI sorted and a zero tolerance and life time bans in place then cycling will be just fine.
I think he should still keep the tour titles, he won those races on a level playing field - everyone was doping. If people have not seen the Pantini film they should, in those days if you signed up to be with a pro team you were employed to try and win and the team Dr was there to help. Does it not demonstrate how prevalent doping was that none of his titles were re appropriated? The year Pantini won the double 87 TDF riders tested positive.
more focus should be placed on how he passed so many drug tests.
I don't think forgiveness is the right word, understanding what it was like during those years may help.
The only part of this that doesn't sit well with me is the UCI have tried to pile everything on to Armstrong when in reality they have been at the heart of the problem for years
I don't think forgiveness is the right word, understanding what it was like during those years may help.
The only part of this that doesn't sit well with me is the UCI have tried to pile everything on to Armstrong when in reality they have been at the heart of the problem for years
Herman Toothrot said:
I think he should still keep the tour titles, he won those races on a level playing field - everyone was doping. If people have not seen the Pantini film they should, in those days if you signed up to be with a pro team you were employed to try and win and the team Dr was there to help. Does it not demonstrate how prevalent doping was that none of his titles were re appropriated? The year Pantini won the double 87 TDF riders tested positive.
+1I was just reading (don't know how true ) but THE great Eddie Merckx got 5 positive drug tests and he introduced lance to ferrari
I think this cycling was (I hope was) just a sport of cheaters, when you read about the first tours they were getting lifts around France, help off people, swapping bikes for climbs and drinking stimulants so it's being going on forever and they using Armstrong to say look we're all clean now
Herman Toothrot said:
I think he should still keep the tour titles, he won those races on a level playing field - everyone was doping. If people have not seen the Pantini film they should, in those days if you signed up to be with a pro team you were employed to try and win and the team Dr was there to help. Does it not demonstrate how prevalent doping was that none of his titles were re appropriated? The year Pantini won the double 87 TDF riders tested positive.
Level playing field!?! Absolute B*llocks. Some riders benefited more from using EPO depending on their natural level of haemocrit. Gassing Station | Pedal Powered | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff