Lance , i should be should be forgiven
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Watchman said:
The fact that he says he would cheat if faced with that choice/time again just means the sanctions/punishments AREN'T heavy enough. His message to me in that interview was that cheating pays.
He has also been quoted as saying that he would do anything to win.Edited by Watchman on Tuesday 27th January 13:13
Without doping he didn't stand a chance of winning, when you're at the top of your game like that winning is all that goes through your head. I think a lot of people would be pushed right to their moral limits in that situation if it came down to sitting on the high horse and finishing right down in the field knowing others were cheating knowing that if no-one was cheating you stood a good chance of winning or cheating like everyone else was and winning.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Is he a cheat ...... yes of course he is.
Has he been made a scapegoat by the UCI for years of neglect and turning a blind eye....yes definitely.
He is no more guilty than any others who have cheated his problem is his profile and standing.
I said I liked him as a competitor but I don't think I like him as a person.
The UCI have virtually got of scot free when in reality they have been at the heart of the problem for over 50 years.
What do they do with a team who have serial cheats in their team they give them a license to race.
Lets get the UCI sorted and a zero tolerance and life time bans in place then cycling will be just fine.
The UCI has had a massive cleanup since the Lance years, Fat Pat is gone and so has Hein Verbruggen. Replaced by Cookson who is doing a good job. The UCI certainly didn't want to give Astana a licence this year but had to for legal reasons. Has he been made a scapegoat by the UCI for years of neglect and turning a blind eye....yes definitely.
He is no more guilty than any others who have cheated his problem is his profile and standing.
I said I liked him as a competitor but I don't think I like him as a person.
The UCI have virtually got of scot free when in reality they have been at the heart of the problem for over 50 years.
What do they do with a team who have serial cheats in their team they give them a license to race.
Lets get the UCI sorted and a zero tolerance and life time bans in place then cycling will be just fine.
TKF said:
MadDad said:
He still seems totally oblivious that it's not the doping that pi@@es everyone off - it's his attitude and flat refusal to show any real regret or remorse!
Exactly right.Even in yesterday's interview he refuses to acknowledge the bullying.
David Millar was one of the only dopers who has shown any remorse whatsoever.
scherzkeks said:
That said, his doping bothers me less than the bulls
t he spewed about everytime he opened his mouth, the careers he tried to ruin, and the way he used livestrong as a front to deflect all criticism. Would love to know how much of their proceeds actually went to fighting cancer...
I'll admit, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing him brought down.
I couldn't agree with you more. I also felt betrayed as I was (maybe naively?) a fan.t he spewed about everytime he opened his mouth, the careers he tried to ruin, and the way he used livestrong as a front to deflect all criticism. Would love to know how much of their proceeds actually went to fighting cancer... I'll admit, I thoroughly enjoyed seeing him brought down.
What irritates me too is that he speaks about himself using the third person, to distance himself from his actions, he almost seems to think it was someone else who did it. So much so that he also seems to want to sound like a victim in his tone of voice, body language etc. He might well be schizophrenic on top of every thing else.
He really is an embarrassment. I wonder what Roland Barthes would have made of him in his dis-mystification of the TDF. http://www.newcyclingpathway.com/news/blog/from-ba...
I like him. Nice bloke. Had a beer with him once.....well I was in the same room, I had a beer and so did he....does that count? I earnt bloody good money off the back of his hard work and sacrifice. He was definitely better at cheating than any of his rivals and the fact remains he won 7 Tours against a bunch of cheats and was never found out until he made the mistake of coming out of retirement.
Having said all of that ...I don't really condone cheating of course.
I personally believe that cheats should be banned for life. That's the only way to rid eth sport of it. And ban the medical people associated with the druggies too for life.
Having said all of that ...I don't really condone cheating of course.
I personally believe that cheats should be banned for life. That's the only way to rid eth sport of it. And ban the medical people associated with the druggies too for life.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31125348
Lance Armstrong has been charged with hit and run
ahole.
Lance Armstrong has been charged with hit and run
a
hole.I read that earlier, what an absolutely appaling thing to do.
I cannot understand the thought processes that go into an act like that.
Did he panic, or just do it withough thinking?
What will his other family and friends think, let alone the world at large.
The GMC Yukon is a terrible vehicle.
I cannot understand the thought processes that go into an act like that.
Did he panic, or just do it withough thinking?
What will his other family and friends think, let alone the world at large.
The GMC Yukon is a terrible vehicle.
On a sporting level, I don't think any cheat should be forgiven. Ban them all for life would be my solution.
On a personal level, the man is an utter. He has destroyed the careers, reputations and lives of people who were "in his way". He ruthlessly took apart people who either blew the whistle, or refused to join the dark side.
He also managed to deceive millions into giving him money for his poxy "I'm Lance, I'm great" PR campaign fronting as a cancer charity. True to Lance form, that charity said in a lot of adverts that giving it money helped sort cancer - despite doing NO cancer research funding whatsoever. When challenged by people from the internet, the great Lance PR machine hid behind it's description as it was a "cancer awareness charity" - we're all aware cancer sucks balls, what the world needs is support for sufferers, and cures for the affected.
TL;DR? No, personally I will never give Lance forgiveness, because even if we all forgave him today, he'd still be a bd tomorrow.
On a personal level, the man is an utter
. He has destroyed the careers, reputations and lives of people who were "in his way". He ruthlessly took apart people who either blew the whistle, or refused to join the dark side.He also managed to deceive millions into giving him money for his poxy "I'm Lance, I'm great" PR campaign fronting as a cancer charity. True to Lance form, that charity said in a lot of adverts that giving it money helped sort cancer - despite doing NO cancer research funding whatsoever. When challenged by people from the internet, the great Lance PR machine hid behind it's description as it was a "cancer awareness charity" - we're all aware cancer sucks balls, what the world needs is support for sufferers, and cures for the affected.
TL;DR? No, personally I will never give Lance forgiveness, because even if we all forgave him today, he'd still be a b
d tomorrow.Missingbadly said:
Now he's says it was a 'joint decision' to lie. He hasn't even got the balls to protect his girlfriend by saying he insisted that she took the blame.
Talk about dropping her in it.
What a low-life he's turned out to be. As above he just doesn't get it.
Sounds like exactly the same kind of attitude he had with cycling. I didn't do it. Ok, I may have been involved but I'm not at fault. Ok, it may be mostly me, but other people were involved too. Talk about dropping her in it.
What a low-life he's turned out to be. As above he just doesn't get it.
Complete denial that he can do any wrong, followed by a slow painful extraction of the truth, where he still denies any wrongdoing.
Some Gump said:
On a sporting level, I don't think any cheat should be forgiven. Ban them all for life would be my solution.
On a personal level, the man is an utter. He has destroyed the careers, reputations and lives of people who were "in his way". He ruthlessly took apart people who either blew the whistle, or refused to join the dark side.
He also managed to deceive millions into giving him money for his poxy "I'm Lance, I'm great" PR campaign fronting as a cancer charity. True to Lance form, that charity said in a lot of adverts that giving it money helped sort cancer - despite doing NO cancer research funding whatsoever. When challenged by people from the internet, the great Lance PR machine hid behind it's description as it was a "cancer awareness charity" - we're all aware cancer sucks balls, what the world needs is support for sufferers, and cures for the affected.
TL;DR? No, personally I will never give Lance forgiveness, because even if we all forgave him today, he'd still be a bd tomorrow.
Totally agree with everything you say except the first sentence, people make stupid decisions sometimes, these decisions might even go against their morals but they do it because of pressures and in sports-people often immaturity plays a part too; young adults without much world experience being pressured to achieve, will often make what in hindsight is a poor decision.On a personal level, the man is an utter
. He has destroyed the careers, reputations and lives of people who were "in his way". He ruthlessly took apart people who either blew the whistle, or refused to join the dark side.He also managed to deceive millions into giving him money for his poxy "I'm Lance, I'm great" PR campaign fronting as a cancer charity. True to Lance form, that charity said in a lot of adverts that giving it money helped sort cancer - despite doing NO cancer research funding whatsoever. When challenged by people from the internet, the great Lance PR machine hid behind it's description as it was a "cancer awareness charity" - we're all aware cancer sucks balls, what the world needs is support for sufferers, and cures for the affected.
TL;DR? No, personally I will never give Lance forgiveness, because even if we all forgave him today, he'd still be a b
d tomorrow.Experienced campaigners who forge on with cheating can f
king burn as far as I'm concerned, but redemption should be encouraged not dismissed out of hand, David Millar is a shining example, Dwain Chambers too.I made loads of stupid choices as a teenager that went against my upbringing and personal ethics as I now see them, fortunately I'm not in the public eye and I now live a life close to the way I was brought up. People can change, sometimes it's for the better...
Lance is not one of these.
Some Gump said:
On a sporting level, I don't think any cheat should be forgiven. Ban them all for life would be my solution.
On a personal level, the man is an utter. He has destroyed the careers, reputations and lives of people who were "in his way". He ruthlessly took apart people who either blew the whistle, or refused to join the dark side.
He also managed to deceive millions into giving him money for his poxy "I'm Lance, I'm great" PR campaign fronting as a cancer charity. True to Lance form, that charity said in a lot of adverts that giving it money helped sort cancer - despite doing NO cancer research funding whatsoever. When challenged by people from the internet, the great Lance PR machine hid behind it's description as it was a "cancer awareness charity" - we're all aware cancer sucks balls, what the world needs is support for sufferers, and cures for the affected.
TL;DR? No, personally I will never give Lance forgiveness, because even if we all forgave him today, he'd still be a bd tomorrow.
My God!On a personal level, the man is an utter
. He has destroyed the careers, reputations and lives of people who were "in his way". He ruthlessly took apart people who either blew the whistle, or refused to join the dark side.He also managed to deceive millions into giving him money for his poxy "I'm Lance, I'm great" PR campaign fronting as a cancer charity. True to Lance form, that charity said in a lot of adverts that giving it money helped sort cancer - despite doing NO cancer research funding whatsoever. When challenged by people from the internet, the great Lance PR machine hid behind it's description as it was a "cancer awareness charity" - we're all aware cancer sucks balls, what the world needs is support for sufferers, and cures for the affected.
TL;DR? No, personally I will never give Lance forgiveness, because even if we all forgave him today, he'd still be a b
d tomorrow.I agree with you on something
Glad someone else heard the "raising awareness" Like that requires $100s of Millions! I have a feeling I read somewhere "his" plane was paid for by Livestrong. Also have you read that site. Seems to suggest you can avoid Cancer altogether by doing basic exercise.
superkartracer said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/31125348
Lance Armstrong has been charged with hit and run
ahole.
Forgive him, it's not his fault, they should not have been parked there, everybody does it, his bird probably forced him to blame her.........Lance Armstrong has been charged with hit and run
a
hole.Rich said:
Glad someone else heard the "raising awareness" Like that requires $100s of Millions! I have a feeling I read somewhere "his" plane was paid for by Livestrong. Also have you read that site. Seems to suggest you can avoid Cancer altogether by doing basic exercise.
Livestrong did not pay for the jet, LA did, whatever you read was quite incorrect.Here's an interesting article about Livestrong from 2012:
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/ath...
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