What does the future hold for bike GPS?
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TKF said:
To make some toast today I microwaved some bread and ran an iron over it. Personally I reckon the standalone toaster will be dead within a couple of years. It certainly is for me as there's nothing I could do with the Dualit which I couldn't do with this set up. What do other people think?
Oh grow up, you immature little child. Maybe you could follow the lead of others on the thread actually contributing to an interesting discussion instead of attention whoring to make yourself feel less inadequate?
snowdude2910 said:
Kermit power said:
snowdude2910 said:
It sounds like your phone is well cut out for it but I like android and my phones gps is better than an iphone but not as good as my garmin with speeds varying wildly on the phone and the battery is s
t with the gps on. Sounds like you have a good solution if you want a windows phone but I don't particularly I stick to what I know and it's nice that I never have to worry about my garmin being charged or it running out of charge as it lasts forever I just get on the bike turn it on and go. With my phone I couldn't do that, I'll be upgrading to a 910xt soon though to save me keep counting and loosing count of lengths when swimming that alone is worth the £300 for me.
t with the gps on. Sounds like you have a good solution if you want a windows phone but I don't particularly I stick to what I know and it's nice that I never have to worry about my garmin being charged or it running out of charge as it lasts forever I just get on the bike turn it on and go. With my phone I couldn't do that, I'll be upgrading to a 910xt soon though to save me keep counting and loosing count of lengths when swimming that alone is worth the £300 for me.
My phone is Android???
I'm staggered about the battery life in particular. I've currently had it off charge for 18 hours, including two hours of conference calls, various other short calls, an hour of Google Maps navigating and various bits of browsing... I've got 42% battery life left!
Kermit power said:
I'm staggered about the battery life in particular. I've currently had it off charge for 18 hours, including two hours of conference calls, various other short calls, an hour of Google Maps navigating and various bits of browsing... I've got 42% battery life left!
t contract.currently 16h47m off charge at 61% and approximately 26hrs remaining used it quite a bit for youtubing and things today on the wifi so it's not bad it has 7.6 days left if I switch to ultra power saving mode which makes it basically just a phone it does calls and texts but nothing else.
Kermit power said:
TKF said:
To make some toast today I microwaved some bread and ran an iron over it. Personally I reckon the standalone toaster will be dead within a couple of years. It certainly is for me as there's nothing I could do with the Dualit which I couldn't do with this set up. What do other people think?
Oh grow up, you immature little child. Maybe you could follow the lead of others on the thread actually contributing to an interesting discussion instead of attention whoring to make yourself feel less inadequate?
Nevertheless my contribution is to say I believe you're completely wrong in your assertion that Garmin etc. will be dead within a couple of years. What does the future hold for bike GPS? Not phones.
The Garmin etc. units will add features and become more integrated with the bikes. Bikes will have more electronic features e.g. Di2 will become more commonplace, more groupsets will include power meters, frames with built in cadence/speed sensors, tyre pressure monitors etc. Cyclists are demanding more and more from their GPS such as live tracking, automatic uploads, cycle route suggestions, training programs and coaching etc. It'll be Garmin that will follow the cycling specific trends, not phone manufacturers.
Phone batteries are still woefully inadequate as phones, let alone something sat there for 5hrs with GPS and Strava and mapping apps and bluetooth and the screen permanently on. Phones aren't robust or waterproof. You're happy with your set-up, good for you. But to extrapolate your anecdote as evidence that Garmin is done for is not clever.
TKF said:
Only one person spitting dummies here.
Nevertheless my contribution is to say I believe you're completely wrong in your assertion that Garmin etc. will be dead within a couple of years. What does the future hold for bike GPS? Not phones.
The Garmin etc. units will add features and become more integrated with the bikes. Bikes will have more electronic features e.g. Di2 will become more commonplace, more groupsets will include power meters, frames with built in cadence/speed sensors, tyre pressure monitors etc. Cyclists are demanding more and more from their GPS such as live tracking, automatic uploads, cycle route suggestions, training programs and coaching etc. It'll be Garmin that will follow the cycling specific trends, not phone manufacturers.
Phone batteries are still woefully inadequate as phones, let alone something sat there for 5hrs with GPS and Strava and mapping apps and bluetooth and the screen permanently on. Phones aren't robust or waterproof. You're happy with your set-up, good for you. But to extrapolate your anecdote as evidence that Garmin is done for is not clever.
Pretty much the KO post.Nevertheless my contribution is to say I believe you're completely wrong in your assertion that Garmin etc. will be dead within a couple of years. What does the future hold for bike GPS? Not phones.
The Garmin etc. units will add features and become more integrated with the bikes. Bikes will have more electronic features e.g. Di2 will become more commonplace, more groupsets will include power meters, frames with built in cadence/speed sensors, tyre pressure monitors etc. Cyclists are demanding more and more from their GPS such as live tracking, automatic uploads, cycle route suggestions, training programs and coaching etc. It'll be Garmin that will follow the cycling specific trends, not phone manufacturers.
Phone batteries are still woefully inadequate as phones, let alone something sat there for 5hrs with GPS and Strava and mapping apps and bluetooth and the screen permanently on. Phones aren't robust or waterproof. You're happy with your set-up, good for you. But to extrapolate your anecdote as evidence that Garmin is done for is not clever.
Kermit power said:
This second one then failed due to water ingress past the frankly rubbish USB port cover...
Sorry if anyone mentioned this already, but I hope you didn't bin your Garmin just yet - you can fix a waterlogged USB port on these simply by spraying WD40 on it. I didn't believe it myself until I tried it. Brought my Edge 800 back from the... erm... edge.Mr Gear said:
Kermit power said:
This second one then failed due to water ingress past the frankly rubbish USB port cover...
Sorry if anyone mentioned this already, but I hope you didn't bin your Garmin just yet - you can fix a waterlogged USB port on these simply by spraying WD40 on it. I didn't believe it myself until I tried it. Brought my Edge 800 back from the... erm... edge.TKF said:
Only one person spitting dummies here.
Nevertheless my contribution is to say I believe you're completely wrong in your assertion that Garmin etc. will be dead within a couple of years. What does the future hold for bike GPS? Not phones.
The Garmin etc. units will add features and become more integrated with the bikes. Bikes will have more electronic features e.g. Di2 will become more commonplace, more groupsets will include power meters, frames with built in cadence/speed sensors, tyre pressure monitors etc. Cyclists are demanding more and more from their GPS such as live tracking, automatic uploads, cycle route suggestions, training programs and coaching etc. It'll be Garmin that will follow the cycling specific trends, not phone manufacturers.
Phone batteries are still woefully inadequate as phones, let alone something sat there for 5hrs with GPS and Strava and mapping apps and bluetooth and the screen permanently on. Phones aren't robust or waterproof. You're happy with your set-up, good for you. But to extrapolate your anecdote as evidence that Garmin is done for is not clever.
There, see! You can contribute if you try! Nevertheless my contribution is to say I believe you're completely wrong in your assertion that Garmin etc. will be dead within a couple of years. What does the future hold for bike GPS? Not phones.
The Garmin etc. units will add features and become more integrated with the bikes. Bikes will have more electronic features e.g. Di2 will become more commonplace, more groupsets will include power meters, frames with built in cadence/speed sensors, tyre pressure monitors etc. Cyclists are demanding more and more from their GPS such as live tracking, automatic uploads, cycle route suggestions, training programs and coaching etc. It'll be Garmin that will follow the cycling specific trends, not phone manufacturers.
Phone batteries are still woefully inadequate as phones, let alone something sat there for 5hrs with GPS and Strava and mapping apps and bluetooth and the screen permanently on. Phones aren't robust or waterproof. You're happy with your set-up, good for you. But to extrapolate your anecdote as evidence that Garmin is done for is not clever.
To address some of your points...
My phone can connect to any Bluetooth or ANT+ sensor as far as I'm aware.
My Garmin was killed by water ingress. My phone is waterproof to 1.5m for half an hour. If I spend longer than that cycling under water, the state of my phone will be the last thing on my mind. I can get a rugged case for it for a tenner.
My phone already provides live tracking, automatic uploads, training plans, cycling specific route suggestions and lots more. My Garmin couldn't do most of those.
The battery life on my new phone certainly lasts far longer than I do on the bike in my pocket. Would it do so in the bars with the screen always on? I don't know, but again I've got a little lightweight portable charger I can plug into it if needed which trebles battery life, and battery technology will continue to improve.
You may be right that Garmin and co will do the development of new trends, but of people can mirror those trends on their "free" phone within months, how do Garmin make their money back? For most things, they now seem to work on open rather than proprietary standards, so don't have much patent protection.
Edited by Kermit power on Saturday 18th April 19:29
It's gonna be hard IMO to truly compare the weather resistance of your setup to a cycle GPS (one of your experienced -ves). 100's of 1000's of cycle GPS are put through really adverse challenging conditions on a daily basis. The Sony probably isnt exposed to these types of conditions, as frequently and by so many people. I'll wager the sony sits in a bag or similar for most people even when being used for activity tracking. The law of averages says that some people will have problems with their cycle GPS but i'll also bet some of these were through not taking the care to put the usb cover in place properly.
Garmin already do live tracking, automatic uploads, training plans cycle specific route planning (with numerous preferences) etc and have done so since the 810 (& earlier with some of the mentioned features) with many more features thrown in.
Still like the sound of the sony for future consideration - my previous HTC ended up fully submerged in the bath thanks to my boy - it did however survive thanks to an otterbox.
Garmin already do live tracking, automatic uploads, training plans cycle specific route planning (with numerous preferences) etc and have done so since the 810 (& earlier with some of the mentioned features) with many more features thrown in.
Still like the sound of the sony for future consideration - my previous HTC ended up fully submerged in the bath thanks to my boy - it did however survive thanks to an otterbox.
Edited by Pot Odds on Saturday 18th April 20:48
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