The Time Trial Thread
Discussion
okgo said:
Good work, are you doing the P885/25 even this Sunday then? I am too.
Also doing the F11/10 course on the Saturday and will be hoping to try and better my 18.46 PB, but will depend on conditions as ever
Yep the Axiom run one. Will see how my hips are, as I'm debating doing the 50 miler in a few weeks, but will wait until after Sunday. Not had this pain for a very long time, so suspect because I haven't been doing many long TTs recently it is just a slight set up problem!Also doing the F11/10 course on the Saturday and will be hoping to try and better my 18.46 PB, but will depend on conditions as ever
Blimey, busy weekend for you then. What number you off on Sunday, I'm starting at 8.29. You'll be able to tell me by my roof rack :P (Porsche driver)
SoliD said:
Yep the Axiom run one. Will see how my hips are, as I'm debating doing the 50 miler in a few weeks, but will wait until after Sunday. Not had this pain for a very long time, so suspect because I haven't been doing many long TTs recently it is just a slight set up problem!
Blimey, busy weekend for you then. What number you off on Sunday, I'm starting at 8.29. You'll be able to tell me by my roof rack :P (Porsche driver)
Yes, sounds like your hip angle might be a bit too tight initially, takes a bit of time to get used to that, so something will need to give perhaps, saddle down or bars up a touch...?Blimey, busy weekend for you then. What number you off on Sunday, I'm starting at 8.29. You'll be able to tell me by my roof rack :P (Porsche driver)
You'll be able to tell me as my car is worth about the same amount as my front wheel, literally is just a vehicle for bikes races
One of the benefits of having quick PB's is you get a lie in, I'm last off or certainly the last 'seed' i.e. rider on a 0 or 5.
okgo said:
Yes, sounds like your hip angle might be a bit too tight initially, takes a bit of time to get used to that, so something will need to give perhaps, saddle down or bars up a touch...?
You'll be able to tell me as my car is worth about the same amount as my front wheel, literally is just a vehicle for bikes races
One of the benefits of having quick PB's is you get a lie in, I'm last off or certainly the last 'seed' i.e. rider on a 0 or 5.
Yeah, I changed my saddle over the winter to an ISM, which was fine for Turbo, but on the road, just couldn't get on, so gone back to my Fizik and it's sorted it, but guessing I've had it a little high. All the longer TTs I've done this year have been lumpier courses, so ability to get out of the aero position, has probably stopped any problems so far, but in it for an hour has obviously triggered somethign. Have dropped the saddle down to try to get back to how it was previously. Got a 10 on thursday so will see how that goes.You'll be able to tell me as my car is worth about the same amount as my front wheel, literally is just a vehicle for bikes races
One of the benefits of having quick PB's is you get a lie in, I'm last off or certainly the last 'seed' i.e. rider on a 0 or 5.
Been meaning to enter a 10 mile TT but still not got round to it. On a club ride yesterday I dropped back to look for a missing rider and then had to chase back on for 12 miles. Covered 10 miles in 28 minutes with a stiff headwind for half of that and a cross wind for the other half. Standard road bike with 40mm clinchers.
How much faster without the wind and tired legs I wonder? No plans for TT bars.
How much faster without the wind and tired legs I wonder? No plans for TT bars.
SoliD said:
okgo said:
Yes, sounds like your hip angle might be a bit too tight initially, takes a bit of time to get used to that, so something will need to give perhaps, saddle down or bars up a touch...?
You'll be able to tell me as my car is worth about the same amount as my front wheel, literally is just a vehicle for bikes races
One of the benefits of having quick PB's is you get a lie in, I'm last off or certainly the last 'seed' i.e. rider on a 0 or 5.
Yeah, I changed my saddle over the winter to an ISM, which was fine for Turbo, but on the road, just couldn't get on, so gone back to my Fizik and it's sorted it, but guessing I've had it a little high. All the longer TTs I've done this year have been lumpier courses, so ability to get out of the aero position, has probably stopped any problems so far, but in it for an hour has obviously triggered somethign. Have dropped the saddle down to try to get back to how it was previously. Got a 10 on thursday so will see how that goes.You'll be able to tell me as my car is worth about the same amount as my front wheel, literally is just a vehicle for bikes races
One of the benefits of having quick PB's is you get a lie in, I'm last off or certainly the last 'seed' i.e. rider on a 0 or 5.
I had my fit rechecked as a result and I'm within my max hip angle (by about 10 degrees). Could it just be unfamiliarity?
On a TT note I'm thinking about building a ghetto TT bike out of my current road bike. Figured my road position is as low as I can go so I should be ok if I fit a proper base bar, extensions and new shifters and brake levers.
upsidedownmark said:
yellowjack said:
Well, I tried to concentrate less on 'speed' and more on HR and cadence. Trying to smooth out the HR graph...
https://www.strava.com/activities/319870039/analys...
...I didn't go any faster than last night, a gnat's knacker slower if anything, but I think the line is less erratic than it was. C255A was the course, an 8.5 miler. Terrible road surface, and quite 'lumpy' again. Very nearly dead last this time, so I'm going to have to have another crack at it. I think I may need to tweak the display options on my Garmin to show HR data more clearly on every screen it cycles through, as that should help me to nail down this consistency. When that's under control I can work on my cadence, and increasing the HR level, to see if I can eke out some extra speed.
I'm far from a great time trialist, so take this with a pinch of salt, but being brutal I'd suggest if you have that much variation then you're not going hard enough, and you're probably being a bit lazy/late with gear changes...https://www.strava.com/activities/319870039/analys...
...I didn't go any faster than last night, a gnat's knacker slower if anything, but I think the line is less erratic than it was. C255A was the course, an 8.5 miler. Terrible road surface, and quite 'lumpy' again. Very nearly dead last this time, so I'm going to have to have another crack at it. I think I may need to tweak the display options on my Garmin to show HR data more clearly on every screen it cycles through, as that should help me to nail down this consistency. When that's under control I can work on my cadence, and increasing the HR level, to see if I can eke out some extra speed.
Almost definitely this is true. I've got small hands, and even with the levers cranked in as close to the bars as possible I struggle to reach the shift levers from the drops. So I often find myself persevering in the 'wrong' gear, in the (quite possibly mistaken) belief that staying low, in the wrong gear, will help my 'aero', whereas coming up out of the drops to switch gears will slow me down. It will come, I'm sure. But without access to power data (and some coaching, I think) I'm always going to be stumbling around in the darkness.Same with "not going hard enough". I'm keeping something back all the time, because I know I'm cracking straight on with the rest of my ride as I pass the 'finish line'. Maybe I'd be able to draw on more if it were a 'proper' event with timekeeping, etc, or perhaps, psychologically, I've just taught myself never to give out that last few % to leave the tanks empty.
The temptation to enter an organised TT is now growing. It'd still be me, in 'normal' kit, on a straightforward road bike, so I'd never be likely to trouble the fast guys, but I would like to ensure that I'm not dead last if I do decide to enter something. Still, today I'm hoping to just get out for a quiet bimble, after being deprived of my bike all weekend...
Ponk said:
Interesting, I have this problem but I wasn't sure if it's flexors or glutes. Only ever an issue during TT efforts or a long time on the drops in a road race.
I had my fit rechecked as a result and I'm within my max hip angle (by about 10 degrees). Could it just be unfamiliarity?
On a TT note I'm thinking about building a ghetto TT bike out of my current road bike. Figured my road position is as low as I can go so I should be ok if I fit a proper base bar, extensions and new shifters and brake levers.
When I had my fit they said it was definitely my flexors, due to my saddle height and then the resultant hip angle, so dropped my seat now, and will see how it goes tomorrow.I had my fit rechecked as a result and I'm within my max hip angle (by about 10 degrees). Could it just be unfamiliarity?
On a TT note I'm thinking about building a ghetto TT bike out of my current road bike. Figured my road position is as low as I can go so I should be ok if I fit a proper base bar, extensions and new shifters and brake levers.
SoliD said:
When I had my fit they said it was definitely my flexors, due to my saddle height and then the resultant hip angle, so dropped my seat now, and will see how it goes tomorrow.
Surely dropping saddle is going to make your hip angle tighter at the top of the pedal stroke. I had trouble with a tight hip angle a few years ago, solved it by moving to shorter cranks, and getting much more forward, which enable me to open things up much more. Can happily stay in aero position for anything up to 3 or 4 hours depending on how aggressive I run my bars etc. yellowjack said:
upsidedownmark said:
yellowjack said:
Well, I tried to concentrate less on 'speed' and more on HR and cadence. Trying to smooth out the HR graph...
https://www.strava.com/activities/319870039/analys...
...I didn't go any faster than last night, a gnat's knacker slower if anything, but I think the line is less erratic than it was. C255A was the course, an 8.5 miler. Terrible road surface, and quite 'lumpy' again. Very nearly dead last this time, so I'm going to have to have another crack at it. I think I may need to tweak the display options on my Garmin to show HR data more clearly on every screen it cycles through, as that should help me to nail down this consistency. When that's under control I can work on my cadence, and increasing the HR level, to see if I can eke out some extra speed.
I'm far from a great time trialist, so take this with a pinch of salt, but being brutal I'd suggest if you have that much variation then you're not going hard enough, and you're probably being a bit lazy/late with gear changes...https://www.strava.com/activities/319870039/analys...
...I didn't go any faster than last night, a gnat's knacker slower if anything, but I think the line is less erratic than it was. C255A was the course, an 8.5 miler. Terrible road surface, and quite 'lumpy' again. Very nearly dead last this time, so I'm going to have to have another crack at it. I think I may need to tweak the display options on my Garmin to show HR data more clearly on every screen it cycles through, as that should help me to nail down this consistency. When that's under control I can work on my cadence, and increasing the HR level, to see if I can eke out some extra speed.
Almost definitely this is true. I've got small hands, and even with the levers cranked in as close to the bars as possible I struggle to reach the shift levers from the drops. So I often find myself persevering in the 'wrong' gear, in the (quite possibly mistaken) belief that staying low, in the wrong gear, will help my 'aero', whereas coming up out of the drops to switch gears will slow me down. It will come, I'm sure. But without access to power data (and some coaching, I think) I'm always going to be stumbling around in the darkness.Same with "not going hard enough". I'm keeping something back all the time, because I know I'm cracking straight on with the rest of my ride as I pass the 'finish line'. Maybe I'd be able to draw on more if it were a 'proper' event with timekeeping, etc, or perhaps, psychologically, I've just taught myself never to give out that last few % to leave the tanks empty.
The temptation to enter an organised TT is now growing. It'd still be me, in 'normal' kit, on a straightforward road bike, so I'd never be likely to trouble the fast guys, but I would like to ensure that I'm not dead last if I do decide to enter something. Still, today I'm hoping to just get out for a quiet bimble, after being deprived of my bike all weekend...
First outing of the year last night. Held target power fairly comfortably for most of it (310-320w) and was strongest in the final 5km into into a solid headwind so I figure I rode it reasonably well. Disappointing time overall but it's my position which has always been inconsistent. The saving grace was I beat a couple of guys who are going ok. 7th (21:58) out of the 25 last night with Charlie Charterman taking the win with 20:26. Bloody miles off the sharp end but at least I got that one out of the way! This is just payback for slacking off and only training 3 hrs a week.
okgo said:
How has the surfaced bedded in? I'll be there on Saturday and was hoping I might be able to get an 18 (weather pending of course!!!).
It felt pretty good, no issues really. I was more worried about the wind as it was the first time on the 808 front, pretty sure it's not for me that wheel. It's only my second ride there despite living within 10 mins of the course but I'll be using it more often now i'm getting back into things. Good luck at the weekend! Weird to be fed up with a PB but I did 22:16 on HCC202 so I reckon it should be possible to dip into a 20 if I can find out how to ditch the parachute that is attached to me HelenT said:
If you are in Mid Wales there are 3 "D" course events using the lovely smooth tarmac around Welshpool (I'm organising 2 of them so a little biased!!)
I've only just put 2 and two together. I received an email from you promoting the events through our club website. Details have been passed on to riders via our Facebook page Hope the 1st event went well and good luck with the 2nd. I've never organised an Open but did run a E123 and a 3/4 on the same course at the same time on the open roads. Tour of the Mining Valleys and Angela Davies Memorial RR a couple of years back. Full of praise for organisers. It's a relatively thankless task but people like you hold our sport together at grass roots right up to the semi-pro levels.
Surfr said:
I've only just put 2 and two together. I received an email from you promoting the events through our club website. Details have been passed on to riders via our Facebook page Hope the 1st event went well and good luck with the 2nd. I've never organised an Open but did run a E123 and a 3/4 on the same course at the same time on the open roads. Tour of the Mining Valleys and Angela Davies Memorial RR a couple of years back.
Full of praise for organisers. It's a relatively thankless task but people like you hold our sport together at grass roots right up to the semi-pro levels.
Got one entry from Ystwyth so far, thanks for passing it on. Hope the 1st event went well and good luck with the 2nd. I've never organised an Open but did run a E123 and a 3/4 on the same course at the same time on the open roads. Tour of the Mining Valleys and Angela Davies Memorial RR a couple of years back. Full of praise for organisers. It's a relatively thankless task but people like you hold our sport together at grass roots right up to the semi-pro levels.
Too right on the thankless task bit sometimes lucky to have a few good club members who can be relied on to help out.
Hi All,
Long time cyclist and reader of the forum. Minimal posting.
Did my first TT on Wed evening (10m) on J2/1 course near Chelford, Cheshire and I AM ADDICTED!!
Did 27:30 on my road bike with clip on aero-bars which I was delighted with (expected maybe 29:xx).
Will be back next week and then there are some hill versions and a 25m one.
Hardest things I found was:
1. Pacing
2. With clip-on aero bars it was hard to switch to normal handlebars when need to change gear
All of this is aimed at attempting Tour de Pistonheads in 2016 after reading the amazing reports.
Cheers, Griff
Long time cyclist and reader of the forum. Minimal posting.
Did my first TT on Wed evening (10m) on J2/1 course near Chelford, Cheshire and I AM ADDICTED!!
Did 27:30 on my road bike with clip on aero-bars which I was delighted with (expected maybe 29:xx).
Will be back next week and then there are some hill versions and a 25m one.
Hardest things I found was:
1. Pacing
2. With clip-on aero bars it was hard to switch to normal handlebars when need to change gear
All of this is aimed at attempting Tour de Pistonheads in 2016 after reading the amazing reports.
Cheers, Griff
Did another 25 in the week, 1:05 ish. Pretty windy still, not helping. Good training though and makes the 10's seem more palatable
Hopeful of getting into the 1:02's with some better conditions
Currently riding a Felt B12 with 50mm clinchers, thinking of getting a skinsuit as the next value upgrade (already have an aero helmet). Wheel upgrades a bit pricey for the sorts of times I'm putting out
Hopeful of getting into the 1:02's with some better conditions
Currently riding a Felt B12 with 50mm clinchers, thinking of getting a skinsuit as the next value upgrade (already have an aero helmet). Wheel upgrades a bit pricey for the sorts of times I'm putting out
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