'Cycling' cafe owner launches raod rage attack at cyclist
Discussion
spats said:
superkartracer said:
Doubt anyone wants his business to go down, but the man can't go around acting like that, and defo needs to stop posting images of his cock.
Agreed! Its almost as bad as that ebay auction where the guy took a picture of his highly polished kettle while in the buff.
spats said:
See my previous post, the blokes got issues clearly. Im not defending him in the slightest! I also don't feel upset for him either, I'm just concerned people are far too quick to go the extra mile hoping his business goes under without thinking of the other innocent people it will effect.
I tend to agree with you spats. It is certainly cyber bullying.The problem is that I do just LOVE a bit of sweet sweet karma.
I know that innocents would suffer if he lost his business but given the irony of him running "cycle-friendly" cafes I can't but help wanting to see them empty and barren.
A little bit.
Perhaps bring him to the brink of folding but not quite.
Perhaps it's a road to Damascus moment and he will get on a bike, enjoy it, lose some weight, sell the LR and buy an Octavia to lug his £10k carbon TT bike around.
Then he can be cycle-friendly without trying to con people!
I don't think it's 'everyone' gunning for him, but cyclists who've quite rightly had enough of this type of behaviour.
Given that his café near Richmond Park gets a huge chunk of revenue from Cyclists it's fair for them to boycott the café and to bring the owner's behaviour to the attention of the cycling masses.
All too often, people in cars/vehicles don't think about the consequences of their actions as there's literally no need. People get killed while legally cycling along a road and all the driver had to do to be absolved of any blame is to say that the sun was in their eyes.
Where's the fairness in that? How do you think their families feel?
I've watched the video several times and I didn't once pick up on any 'thud' - but that's not to say it didn't happen. As I mentioned previously I've hit and kicked several vehicles in the past - including putting a massive dent in the rear door of one who side swiped me in the middle of Marble Arch roundabout after swerving across several lanes without looking. In every instance bar one, it's escalated the situation to the shouting and screaming heard in the video.
But I'm still in two minds as to its effectiveness. For the doddery people that weren't paying attention it will serve as a wake up call to be a bit more careful in the future. But for those angry b
ds that already hate cyclists, it may provoke their hatred even more and the next cyclist might not be so lucky.
Here's an example:
I recently had a much closer call than in the video in that a van driver actually tried to force me into a line of parked cars by bumping into my bar ends. I had blue paint on them after I had to brake and the bars scraped along the length of the van.
I know it was deliberate as he looked me dead in the eye as he came level with me before he then proceeded to move over. For the record, I braked, went around his off-side and slammed my hand into his side mirror and called him a. I was expecting him to get out the van and we might have a talk about it. Instead, he swerved out of the lane of traffic he was in and chased me up the road in the van - on the wrong side of the road. While the initial incident was at about 10mph, in the follow up he drove his van directly at me and I only escaped because I bunny hopped onto the kerb. He then got out the van and chased me on foot with something in his hand. Looked like a wrench, couldn't be sure. At that point, I decided that the time to talk was over and cycled off.
Why did he do this in the first place? I genuinely can't think of a reason. I know that I filtered past him (and about 5 other cars at the previous set of lights) but I didn't touch his van or force him to stop as he was already stopped. So I know I escalated the incident by hitting his mirror, but I genuinely saw red.
So as much as there are plenty of SMIDSYs out there, there are also some vindictive bds who think attacking cyclists is fair game.
Given that his café near Richmond Park gets a huge chunk of revenue from Cyclists it's fair for them to boycott the café and to bring the owner's behaviour to the attention of the cycling masses.
All too often, people in cars/vehicles don't think about the consequences of their actions as there's literally no need. People get killed while legally cycling along a road and all the driver had to do to be absolved of any blame is to say that the sun was in their eyes.
Where's the fairness in that? How do you think their families feel?
I've watched the video several times and I didn't once pick up on any 'thud' - but that's not to say it didn't happen. As I mentioned previously I've hit and kicked several vehicles in the past - including putting a massive dent in the rear door of one who side swiped me in the middle of Marble Arch roundabout after swerving across several lanes without looking. In every instance bar one, it's escalated the situation to the shouting and screaming heard in the video.
But I'm still in two minds as to its effectiveness. For the doddery people that weren't paying attention it will serve as a wake up call to be a bit more careful in the future. But for those angry b
ds that already hate cyclists, it may provoke their hatred even more and the next cyclist might not be so lucky.Here's an example:
I recently had a much closer call than in the video in that a van driver actually tried to force me into a line of parked cars by bumping into my bar ends. I had blue paint on them after I had to brake and the bars scraped along the length of the van.
I know it was deliberate as he looked me dead in the eye as he came level with me before he then proceeded to move over. For the record, I braked, went around his off-side and slammed my hand into his side mirror and called him a
. I was expecting him to get out the van and we might have a talk about it. Instead, he swerved out of the lane of traffic he was in and chased me up the road in the van - on the wrong side of the road. While the initial incident was at about 10mph, in the follow up he drove his van directly at me and I only escaped because I bunny hopped onto the kerb. He then got out the van and chased me on foot with something in his hand. Looked like a wrench, couldn't be sure. At that point, I decided that the time to talk was over and cycled off.Why did he do this in the first place? I genuinely can't think of a reason. I know that I filtered past him (and about 5 other cars at the previous set of lights) but I didn't touch his van or force him to stop as he was already stopped. So I know I escalated the incident by hitting his mirror, but I genuinely saw red.
So as much as there are plenty of SMIDSYs out there, there are also some vindictive b
ds who think attacking cyclists is fair game. Kell said:
I've hit and kicked several vehicles in the past - including putting a massive dent in the rear door of one who side swiped me in the middle of Marble Arch roundabout after swerving across several lanes without looking. In every instance bar one, it's escalated the situation to the shouting and screaming heard in the video.
Too f***ing right! never touch another persons vehicle. I hope one day a cyclist puts a nice dent into your car when you mistakenly get a little too close. See how you like it. I doubt you will thank them for it.nitrodave said:
Too f***ing right! never touch another persons vehicle. I hope one day a cyclist puts a nice dent into your car when you mistakenly get a little too close. See how you like it. I doubt you will thank them for it.
If I ever heard a thud whilst driving and looked round to see a cyclist I'd be mortified that I hadn't seen him. My first reaction would be to check that he was all right and profusely apologise, not to threaten to smash his teeth in. But, hey, we're all different.
nitrodave said:
Kell said:
I've hit and kicked several vehicles in the past - including putting a massive dent in the rear door of one who side swiped me in the middle of Marble Arch roundabout after swerving across several lanes without looking. In every instance bar one, it's escalated the situation to the shouting and screaming heard in the video.
Too f***ing right! never touch another persons vehicle. I hope one day a cyclist puts a nice dent into your car when you mistakenly get a little too close. See how you like it. I doubt you will thank them for it.Reminds me of a funny incident in the local multi-store the other day. There are two entry lanes that converge into one, to allow space for a pedestrian walk way. There are warning signs, road markings, a raised kerb, and the railing protecting the pedestrians is painted bright yellow.
I'm walking to the exit. Astra tt roars in. Crunch. Out he leaps in a fit of rage. "You blind fking " he yells as he comes round his car "I'll fking KILL you". To see his just scraped his stty little car along a railing he hadn't seen, and there's not another car nearby.
Why is some people's reaction always to blame someone else? They just can't accept their own fallibility.
I'm walking to the exit. Astra t
t roars in. Crunch. Out he leaps in a fit of rage. "You blind fking " he yells as he comes round his car "I'll fking KILL you". To see his just scraped his stty little car along a railing he hadn't seen, and there's not another car nearby.Why is some people's reaction always to blame someone else? They just can't accept their own fallibility.
spats said:
See my previous post, the blokes got issues clearly. Im not defending him in the slightest! I also don't feel upset for him either, I'm just concerned people are far too quick to go the extra mile hoping his business goes under without thinking of the other innocent people it will effect. No ones hoping Alton Towers shuts for good even though 4 people have been hurt on their rides. Whereas one cyclist gets riles up a mental and suddenly its a free for all for anyone whos had anything to do with him?
The way he's acting is pretty disgraceful. I certainly won't go to any of his cafes after seeing the video but I'm glad I've seen it because I don't want to give him any of my money. It's the same with any other products or businesses I don't agree with. That's how branding works, if you damage your brand, through acting like he has then what do you expect?He uses social media to promote himself and his business, he ought to know what can happen.
It not difficult to go through life without acting like that.
heebeegeetee said:
15 minutes of fame? He's anonymous.
The police have been involved and have done nothing regarding his using his vehicle as a weapon or for blocking the road off.
The bloke is mental and is in charge of 2 tonnes of machinery. Why wouldn't people get involved, before he kills somebody?
It is interesting that he was fined for a public order offence and not for his driving. Easier to prove maybe?The police have been involved and have done nothing regarding his using his vehicle as a weapon or for blocking the road off.
The bloke is mental and is in charge of 2 tonnes of machinery. Why wouldn't people get involved, before he kills somebody?
spats said:
Its a sad sad world if that's the norm now....
But spats - it's so easy to find people on the web now, especially if they post on forums..http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363
See?
Some Gump said:
spats said:
Its a sad sad world if that's the norm now....
But spats - it's so easy to find people on the web now, especially if they post on forums..http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363
See?
All his food is served on chopping boards as well. Hate the things.
Bloke is a nutter, but the shouting match was over at least once before the cyclist threw in another comment which restarted it all. It seemingly would have continued longer if not for the man with the blue bike. Nutter gets back in the car and starts driving off. I'd be really, really glad he's decided to bugger off. Why rile him up more? That's crazy.
I cycle on the road and I still don't agree with this banging the car thing (nothing I've seen in the video implies he did that though), and believe me I am frustrated on a daily basis by being passed too close. It seemingly only causes trouble, and I've read the comments in this thread about letting people know you are there. But say you bang on the car and they just carry on driving. Will they actually learn to give more room? I doubt it, because they don't know what did wrong. As far as they are concerned, enough room is not hitting you. If they do get out of the car, they're probably not going to want to listen to you explain yourself.
Bloke is a nutter, but the shouting match was over at least once before the cyclist threw in another comment which restarted it all. It seemingly would have continued longer if not for the man with the blue bike. Nutter gets back in the car and starts driving off. I'd be really, really glad he's decided to bugger off. Why rile him up more? That's crazy.
I cycle on the road and I still don't agree with this banging the car thing (nothing I've seen in the video implies he did that though), and believe me I am frustrated on a daily basis by being passed too close. It seemingly only causes trouble, and I've read the comments in this thread about letting people know you are there. But say you bang on the car and they just carry on driving. Will they actually learn to give more room? I doubt it, because they don't know what did wrong. As far as they are concerned, enough room is not hitting you. If they do get out of the car, they're probably not going to want to listen to you explain yourself.
Kell said:
As I mentioned previously I've hit and kicked several vehicles in the past - including putting a massive dent in the rear door of one who side swiped me in the middle of Marble Arch roundabout after swerving across several lanes without looking. In every instance bar one, it's escalated the situation to the shouting and screaming heard in the video.
...I braked, went around his off-side and slammed my hand into his side mirror and called him a. I was expecting him to get out the van and we might have a talk about it. Instead, he swerved out of the lane of traffic he was in and chased me up the road in the van - on the wrong side of the road. While the initial incident was at about 10mph, in the follow up he drove his van directly at me and I only escaped because I bunny hopped onto the kerb. He then got out the van and chased me on foot with something in his hand. Looked like a wrench, couldn't be sure. At that point, I decided that the time to talk was over and cycled off.
Funny how some people never get into scrapes whilst on the bike and some people seemingly always get into them. I wonder if there is a Venn diagram showing the correlation of t...I braked, went around his off-side and slammed my hand into his side mirror and called him a
. I was expecting him to get out the van and we might have a talk about it. Instead, he swerved out of the lane of traffic he was in and chased me up the road in the van - on the wrong side of the road. While the initial incident was at about 10mph, in the follow up he drove his van directly at me and I only escaped because I bunny hopped onto the kerb. He then got out the van and chased me on foot with something in his hand. Looked like a wrench, couldn't be sure. At that point, I decided that the time to talk was over and cycled off.ts, normal cyclists and cylists that give the rest of us a bad name?Some Gump said:
spats said:
Its a sad sad world if that's the norm now....
But spats - it's so easy to find people on the web now, especially if they post on forums..http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363
See?
I got a stern ticking off a fair while ago on here for 'outing' a silly lady in the New Forest, who didn't very much like cyclists, and was protesting against organised rides, yet hypocritically ran a tourism website which made money from promoting cycling and cycle hire in said Forest. Apparently I was "creepy" and it was "distressing" for her. Although to be fair, I'd simply cut and pasted her name and business address from where she herself had published it, on her own website.
As for the 'karma' element, and it affecting business? I know of a lovely independent cafe which I oft frequented, run by a very nice lady who my wife and I got reasonably friendly with over a number of years and a fair few cooked breakfasts. But at the time of the Olympic road race and the Tour of Britain, she became quite vocal about there being "too many cyclists", "too many events", and "too many road closures" in the area. Not terribly long afterwards, her cafe closed. I don't thing she considered the effect having her name printed alongside an interview knocking cycling in a popular cycling area would have. She was even interviewed for a local TV news piece. What she didn't seem to realise is that many of her customers (me included) who arrived by car, dressed in normal clothes, and spending fairly large sums of money on food, were also cyclists. Many people discovered her business by cycling past, or even stopping for something to eat or drink on a ride, then they came back with partners, family, or friends. When a large portion of your customer base suddenly finds that the food tastes a bit, well, "off", then you are looking at a cash flow problem. In her case, I wasn't aware of any campaign against her, but I was one who simply stopped going, and found somewhere else to treat the family to breakfast out. The feeling was pretty much along the lines of "you don't like cyclists? Then you won't like the money I used to spend here either".
Going back to 'Mr Brew' - the initial negative responses on the business' social media account were quite humorous, but now there are some potty-mouthed rants on there, so it's a shame that his detractors have stooped to his level. To be honest, I don't wish him any more ill than he wished upon the cyclist in the video. No-one forced him to get out of his car and leap around like a demented Leprechaun, after all. If he'd simply left it alone and driven away we'd have seen far fewer 'views' of the video, and we'd all be chewing the fat over whether the 'close pass' was anything to write home about, and gently mocking "yet another Lycra-clad YouTube/GoPro hero yelling out a registration number after nothing actually happened". HE had complete control of that situation, he made a t
t of himself, and he has sown the wind. Now he must surely reap the whirlwind. If his business is any good, and he has a decent customer base of non-interested neutrals, or even bike haters, he'll still be tha captain of the ship when the calm weather comes, and the internet has found another scab to pick at. But if he flounders, and sips beneath the stormy waters he himself stirred up, then I won't be shedding any tears for him. RenOHH said:
But say you bang on the car and they just carry on driving.
The benefit of a slap over just about any other sort of way of indicating your presence is that it's almost impossible to ignore. In the overwhelming majority of drivers, it triggers an "oh fk, what've I hit" response which a shout just doesn't do.As for people saying things like "never touch another man's vehicle", simply
It's a car, for fk's sake, not an original copy of the Magna Carta which is going to be instantly damaged by the oil from my fingerprints!!! "Don't damage someone else's property", I'd fully agree with, but I don't know many cyclists who ride around wearing spiked knuckledusters to inflict maximum damage, and if a car is close enough for me to give it a slap, then there's a far, far greater probability of it damaging me and my property than the reverse.yellowjack said:
Some Gump said:
spats said:
Its a sad sad world if that's the norm now....
But spats - it's so easy to find people on the web now, especially if they post on forums..http://facebook.com/profile.php?=73322363
See?
Very easy to get someones details tho, i found Mr Gump in little time, not posting his details tho ( i'm not that thick ) ha ha.
nitrodave said:
Too f***ing right! never touch another persons vehicle. I hope one day a cyclist puts a nice dent into your car when you mistakenly get a little too close. See how you like it. I doubt you will thank them for it.
You're missing the point - these were all after I'd been hit and/or knocked off. If they then picked themselves up, bleeding, from the ground I wouldn't just drive off like this driver did. That's why his car got a kick. For the record, my helmet was ruined, my bike was scrapped and I couldn't ride for a month. But he felt like it was nothing and just drove off.TKF said:
Funny how some people never get into scrapes whilst on the bike and some people seemingly always get into them. I wonder if there is a Venn diagram showing the correlation of tts, normal cyclists and cylists that give the rest of us a bad name?
As above. If you think I'm somehow giving you a bad name by having drivers knock me off my bike then you're on another planet.ts, normal cyclists and cylists that give the rest of us a bad name?Edited by Kell on Thursday 4th June 10:05
Edited by Kell on Thursday 4th June 10:27
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