Guardian article on cyclist attacks

Guardian article on cyclist attacks

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Schmy

162 posts

105 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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okgo said:
Oh well.

People think twice about being s if they think they might not get away with it scott free.
This woman who got her car deliberately scratched, do you reckon she went home and told her friends and family about it and said it's all her fault and she's learned her lesson? Do you reckon she'll take extra care the next time she overtakes you on your bike?

okgo

37,841 posts

197 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Which user are you an alter ego of then? Seems odd for someone to join and straight away start being a pedant in a sub forum of a motoring website?


Zigster

1,636 posts

143 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Schmy said:
okgo said:
Oh well.

People think twice about being s if they think they might not get away with it scott free.
This woman who got her car deliberately scratched, do you reckon she went home and told her friends and family about it and said it's all her fault and she's learned her lesson? Do you reckon she'll take extra care the next time she overtakes you on your bike?
Looking at it the other way, this woman clearly had no concept of how to drive carefully around other road users anyway. She endangers someone by passing far too closely and then has the audacity to get out the car and shout at the victim (for want of a better word).

If there had been no reaction from the cyclist, do you think she would have taken more care around cyclists in the future? At least this way, she might be more careful in the future even if it is for the sake of her car's paintwork rather than the safety of other humans.

Schmy

162 posts

105 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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Zigster said:
Looking at it the other way, this woman clearly had no concept of how to drive carefully around other road users anyway. She endangers someone by passing far too closely and then has the audacity to get out the car and shout at the victim (for want of a better word).

If there had been no reaction from the cyclist, do you think she would have taken more care around cyclists in the future? At least this way, she might be more careful in the future even if it is for the sake of her car's paintwork rather than the safety of other humans.
Are the only options do nothing or damage the car? Sounds a bit binary to me.

12TS

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1,806 posts

209 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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And off it goes again....

I'd like to think if I'd have been rational if I'd been clipped and made my point without causing damage. Tempting as damage may be I can't help but think a visit from plod would have had more impact.

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Thursday 2nd July 2015
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If you had been through the same and the person who had injured you (bruised elbow where she clipped me), nearly seriously injured you (another inch to the left and I would have been squashed), verbally assaulted you and then was trying to stop you from walking away what would you do?

She's lucky I hit her car and not her as she got at least 3 clear warnings to get out of my face and take her hands off my bike.

Harji

2,196 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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TheAllSeeingPie said:
Having just been clipped doing 20ish mph and the shock involved in that, then having someone flag me down so she can start shouting at me about 6 inches from my face, having the morale high ground was irrelevant and I was trying to contain my anger. It took all the restraint I had to not punch her and instead I told her to get back in her car and fk off, which she refused to until I told her I'd kick her car until she left. Funnily enough one kick of the car and she was down the road and nowhere near me. The alternative would have been to have cycled off and risk her coming past me again, this time with an already damaged car and frothing at the mouth and probably with the intention to "teach me a lesson" or worse ...
Good stuff, had something similar recently when I was ready to drag the girl out of the car and beat her to a pulp, all because she nearly swiped me off the bike and I told her she was a daft woman and drove her car into my bike again while swearing (ok I said she should stuff a bottle up her...).

What made me angry was her attitude and then her boyfriend all piping up as well.

Zigster

1,636 posts

143 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Schmy said:
Zigster said:
Looking at it the other way, this woman clearly had no concept of how to drive carefully around other road users anyway. She endangers someone by passing far too closely and then has the audacity to get out the car and shout at the victim (for want of a better word).

If there had been no reaction from the cyclist, do you think she would have taken more care around cyclists in the future? At least this way, she might be more careful in the future even if it is for the sake of her car's paintwork rather than the safety of other humans.
Are the only options do nothing or damage the car? Sounds a bit binary to me.
It's not a binary argument, itt's just pointing out that your argument isn't the only one.

Fetchez la vache

5,568 posts

213 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Lets face it... if people on a car website cycling formum, who (presumably) both cycle and drive a car cannot agree, what chance does a piss-pot rag like the Guardian have of getting it right either?

If we're supposed to be the tollerant and informed end of the scale, it's not hard to see why those who only cycle or only drive really have a head-benny over "the other lot".

Schmy

162 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Zigster said:
Schmy said:
Zigster said:
Looking at it the other way, this woman clearly had no concept of how to drive carefully around other road users anyway. She endangers someone by passing far too closely and then has the audacity to get out the car and shout at the victim (for want of a better word).

If there had been no reaction from the cyclist, do you think she would have taken more care around cyclists in the future? At least this way, she might be more careful in the future even if it is for the sake of her car's paintwork rather than the safety of other humans.
Are the only options do nothing or damage the car? Sounds a bit binary to me.
It's not a binary argument, itt's just pointing out that your argument isn't the only one.
It's entirely binary. So far you've suggested either a) do nothing or, b) damage the car.

There are many, many options in between these extremities. I wasn't there so it's difficult to say exactly how I would have reacted however I can guarantee it wouldn't have been either of those 2 choices.

oyster

12,577 posts

247 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Harji said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Having just been clipped doing 20ish mph and the shock involved in that, then having someone flag me down so she can start shouting at me about 6 inches from my face, having the morale high ground was irrelevant and I was trying to contain my anger. It took all the restraint I had to not punch her and instead I told her to get back in her car and fk off, which she refused to until I told her I'd kick her car until she left. Funnily enough one kick of the car and she was down the road and nowhere near me. The alternative would have been to have cycled off and risk her coming past me again, this time with an already damaged car and frothing at the mouth and probably with the intention to "teach me a lesson" or worse ...
Good stuff, had something similar recently when I was ready to drag the girl out of the car and beat her to a pulp, all because she nearly swiped me off the bike and I told her she was a daft woman and drove her car into my bike again while swearing (ok I said she should stuff a bottle up her...).

What made me angry was her attitude and then her boyfriend all piping up as well.
I usually just tell them in a very calm manner that I thought their driving was dangerous and I'd like to get home safely that evening to see my little children, suggesting that isn't too much to ask.

All calm, no swearing, no threats, no violence.

You'll find humans are more receptive to this.

Try it.

2volvos

660 posts

200 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Meanwhile back over in the Telegraph, it's business as usual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11707713/Cycli...

Red lights? Tick. Lycra Louts? Tick. Insurance? Tick. Registration? Tick. I cycle too, really I do? Tick. Surely this was "written" by some Anti-Cycling Content Generator

Schmy

162 posts

105 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Such a brilliant article, particularly the pictures and captions.

Picture of a dozen cyclists waiting at a red light: Cyclists often ignore the Highway Code

Picture of a bloke cycling and following the road round: A cyclist swerves in front of a bus (bus is suspiciously close behind him too)

People on bikes: People on bikes causing havoc

I do like the photo of the recreational cyclist on the right though...

12TS

Original Poster:

1,806 posts

209 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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2volvos said:
Meanwhile back over in the Telegraph, it's business as usual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11707713/Cycli...

Red lights? Tick. Lycra Louts? Tick. Insurance? Tick. Registration? Tick. I cycle too, really I do? Tick. Surely this was "written" by some Anti-Cycling Content Generator
I don't bother reading the Torygraph now. It's all click bait and trying to copy the Mail.

TheAllSeeingPie

865 posts

134 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Schmy said:
Such a brilliant article, particularly the pictures and captions.

Picture of a dozen cyclists waiting at a red light: Cyclists often ignore the Highway Code

Picture of a bloke cycling and following the road round: A cyclist swerves in front of a bus (bus is suspiciously close behind him too)

People on bikes: People on bikes causing havoc

I do like the photo of the recreational cyclist on the right though...
They also conveniently ignore the car sat halfway across an ASL. However I think Angela is definitely an advert for the benefits of cycling wink

Harji

2,196 posts

160 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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oyster said:
Harji said:
TheAllSeeingPie said:
Having just been clipped doing 20ish mph and the shock involved in that, then having someone flag me down so she can start shouting at me about 6 inches from my face, having the morale high ground was irrelevant and I was trying to contain my anger. It took all the restraint I had to not punch her and instead I told her to get back in her car and fk off, which she refused to until I told her I'd kick her car until she left. Funnily enough one kick of the car and she was down the road and nowhere near me. The alternative would have been to have cycled off and risk her coming past me again, this time with an already damaged car and frothing at the mouth and probably with the intention to "teach me a lesson" or worse ...
Good stuff, had something similar recently when I was ready to drag the girl out of the car and beat her to a pulp, all because she nearly swiped me off the bike and I told her she was a daft woman and drove her car into my bike again while swearing (ok I said she should stuff a bottle up her...).

What made me angry was her attitude and then her boyfriend all piping up as well.
I usually just tell them in a very calm manner that I thought their driving was dangerous and I'd like to get home safely that evening to see my little children, suggesting that isn't too much to ask.

All calm, no swearing, no threats, no violence.

You'll find humans are more receptive to this.

Try it.
I've made a promise to the wife that I will calm down.

2volvos

660 posts

200 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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12TS said:
2volvos said:
Meanwhile back over in the Telegraph, it's business as usual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11707713/Cycli...

Red lights? Tick. Lycra Louts? Tick. Insurance? Tick. Registration? Tick. I cycle too, really I do? Tick. Surely this was "written" by some Anti-Cycling Content Generator
I don't bother reading the Torygraph now. It's all click bait and trying to copy the Mail.
But you'd think that a fair amount of their readership would fall into the Cycling is the New Golf demographic. You know middle aged blokes with a bit of cash to spend on a new Dogma and replica Sky kit? And that's what the original Guardian article was bemoaning - this right-wing press driven reactive othodoxy that cyclists are suddenly a chaos causing, non road tax paying, highwaycode ignoring, self righteous, traffic blocking nuicance.

It's even in the local press. A few weeks ago our rag had a headline something like Jail for Cyclist Who Killed Toddler on Pavement. Turns out he was some yobbo on a BMX he'd just nicked and was high on dope. Typical cyclist!

ewenm

28,506 posts

244 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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2volvos said:
12TS said:
2volvos said:
Meanwhile back over in the Telegraph, it's business as usual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11707713/Cycli...

Red lights? Tick. Lycra Louts? Tick. Insurance? Tick. Registration? Tick. I cycle too, really I do? Tick. Surely this was "written" by some Anti-Cycling Content Generator
I don't bother reading the Torygraph now. It's all click bait and trying to copy the Mail.
But you'd think that a fair amount of their readership would fall into the Cycling is the New Golf demographic. You know middle aged blokes with a bit of cash to spend on a new Dogma and replica Sky kit? And that's what the original Guardian article was bemoaning - this right-wing press driven reactive othodoxy that cyclists are suddenly a chaos causing, non road tax paying, highwaycode ignoring, self righteous, traffic blocking nuicance.

It's even in the local press. A few weeks ago our rag had a headline something like Jail for Cyclist Who Killed Toddler on Pavement. Turns out he was some yobbo on a BMX he'd just nicked and was high on dope. Typical cyclist!
Click bait as said - people will happily click on and read an article they disagree with or they expect to make them angry. If the Telegraph demographic contains lots of MAMILs then I'd expect both positive and negative stories about cycling to increase.

2volvos

660 posts

200 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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It does have a few MAMIL friendly articles as well.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/active/recreational...

I dunno, maybe I being niaive, but a bit of editorial consistency wouldn't go amiss...

But please, don't dare enter the readers comments below any of the articles.

Devil2575

13,400 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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2volvos said:
Meanwhile back over in the Telegraph, it's business as usual.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11707713/Cycli...

Red lights? Tick. Lycra Louts? Tick. Insurance? Tick. Registration? Tick. I cycle too, really I do? Tick. Surely this was "written" by some Anti-Cycling Content Generator
It's in the telegraph. A paper written by twunts for twunts.