Schwalbe Procore for MTB's. Anybody tried it?
Discussion
Talking to a LBS recently and they said they were now selling Schwalbe Procore. Seems an ineresting concept if you're in to tubeless riding on serious terrain but at £150+ for a pair seems mighty expensive. I have to say my riding style doesn't fit with this product but I can appreciate its potential.
Just curious to know who would spend said amount on a pair of inner tubes for tubeless tyres. BTW, further information at http://www.schwalbe.com/en/schwalbe-procore.html in case you've not come across this before.
Just curious to know who would spend said amount on a pair of inner tubes for tubeless tyres. BTW, further information at http://www.schwalbe.com/en/schwalbe-procore.html in case you've not come across this before.
The tyre roll would be horrid though, too vague a feel and the bike will wander. Doubt you would want to see under 20 psi realistically. Then you have to pedal back up unless you're a dh'er.
Going through inner tubes seem like good value and a better idea imo as the tyre will still go down so if youre on a long ride you will want to fix the flat but if youre racing then these could be pretty useful.
I had about 5 or 6 punctures at last weeks UKGE in the lakes...
Going through inner tubes seem like good value and a better idea imo as the tyre will still go down so if youre on a long ride you will want to fix the flat but if youre racing then these could be pretty useful.
I had about 5 or 6 punctures at last weeks UKGE in the lakes...
missing the VR6 said:
My understanding is they're aimed at the DH market.
£150 for a pair from your LBS isn't too bad, assuming they'll fit them for that price. I pay £100 for my UST Continentals from my LBS fitted, so not too bad for new tech.
Not sure that was the fitted price. He said he hadn't finalised the price yet but the implication was that if the LBS did not fit the tyres with Procore first time round then the warranty would not apply.£150 for a pair from your LBS isn't too bad, assuming they'll fit them for that price. I pay £100 for my UST Continentals from my LBS fitted, so not too bad for new tech.
joema said:
The tyre roll would be horrid though, too vague a feel and the bike will wander. Doubt you would want to see under 20 psi realistically.
This is my concern too, and if you pump them up to nearly normal pressure to stop them squirming, they will then be really harsh due to the much smaller effective volume. Run-flat tyres for cars are famed for their harsh ride, so why would bike be any different?
I am willing to be proved wrong however, I will be sure to have a good look at them when they start to come through
Procore rider feedback here....
http://singletrackworld.com/2015/07/schwalbe-proco...
I'm really looking forward to giving this a go.
http://singletrackworld.com/2015/07/schwalbe-proco...
I'm really looking forward to giving this a go.
It's not for me, I've dabbled with tubeless and found it a pointless faf because I don't want to run my tyres below 35psi - I found it ruined the handling because it wants to follow every ripple and rut and becomes really inconsistent cornering wollowing about at the sidewalls fold.
At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
P-Jay said:
It's not for me, I've dabbled with tubeless and found it a pointless faf because I don't want to run my tyres below 35psi - I found it ruined the handling because it wants to follow every ripple and rut and becomes really inconsistent cornering wollowing about at the sidewalls fold.
At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
I thought the point of tubeless was they could be run at higher PSI. When I went tubeless 3 years ago I went from running tubes at 30psi to tubeless at 40 psi.At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
missing the VR6 said:
I thought the point of tubeless was they could be run at higher PSI. When I went tubeless 3 years ago I went from running tubes at 30psi to tubeless at 40 psi.
Why? 
P-Jay said:
It's not for me, I've dabbled with tubeless and found it a pointless faf because I don't want to run my tyres below 35psi - I found it ruined the handling because it wants to follow every ripple and rut and becomes really inconsistent cornering wollowing about at the sidewalls fold.
At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
For me there's a sweet spot around 25psi on the front and 28 on the back. Gives the suppleness without the roll. But anyway for me that's secondary for not stopping every 20 minutes to patch a hole from a thorn. At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
Edited by budgie smuggler on Monday 6th July 15:33
budgie smuggler said:
missing the VR6 said:
I thought the point of tubeless was they could be run at higher PSI. When I went tubeless 3 years ago I went from running tubes at 30psi to tubeless at 40 psi.
Why? I find it rolls faster with the higher pressure's, plus I weigh 18 stone so sub 30PSI and the tyres are virtually flat!
missing the VR6 said:
P-Jay said:
It's not for me, I've dabbled with tubeless and found it a pointless faf because I don't want to run my tyres below 35psi - I found it ruined the handling because it wants to follow every ripple and rut and becomes really inconsistent cornering wollowing about at the sidewalls fold.
At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
I thought the point of tubeless was they could be run at higher PSI. When I went tubeless 3 years ago I went from running tubes at 30psi to tubeless at 40 psi.At the sorts of pressures I run the core would be pointless.
It's all meant to be rider weight relative - so a 16st rider at 35psi would face the same chance as a 8st whippet running 20psi of pinch-flatting, and have the same sort of rolling resistance (rider weight and pressure made up for the purposes of example).
But in my experience it doesn't really work that way - I'm 16st, ride 30ish at the front and 40ish at the back - I'm not some weekend warrior but I ride hard, not in a heroic way, more of an ham-fisted idiotic way, I've pinch-flatted I'd guess 4 or 5 times in 10 years of riding.
I tried tubeless for about a year and gave up - at first I tried it without sealant using proper UST sealed rims and UST tyres - not many people do this, but in theory that's how it's meant to work - it was a total disaster - it's very difficult to get the tyres to seal and harder to keep them sealed, if I ran at my usual pressures it was okay, but didn't feel any different - if I lowered them they'd 'burp' and drop 50% which was a pain, but puncture repair was easy, I just took out the valve and put a tube in (and left it there) after a while I tried again with sealant which helped the burping a lot, but the lower pressures made the bike handling sloppy and in consistent - plus it killed my mid-corner speed, more grip yes, but so much resistance it killed momentum.
The procore system will stop the burping, it's meant to be revolutionary, and in a way it is, but at it's heart it's an inner-tube! For me, it represents, more expense, more complexity and more weight all to achieve to opportunity to run lower pressures, but I don't want to.
I can understand the benefit to lighter riders who can use lower pressures or for downhillers who can put up with the faf for a 1 all-or-nothing race run - but I can't escape the feeling that, like tubeless, most people will delve into it because "Pro".
P-Jay said:
Nah it's the other way, without a tube to pinch-flat you can run much lower pressures.
It's all meant to be rider weight relative - so a 16st rider at 35psi would face the same chance as a 8st whippet running 20psi of pinch-flatting, and have the same sort of rolling resistance (rider weight and pressure made up for the purposes of example).
But in my experience it doesn't really work that way - I'm 16st, ride 30ish at the front and 40ish at the back - I'm not some weekend warrior but I ride hard, not in a heroic way, more of an ham-fisted idiotic way, I've pinch-flatted I'd guess 4 or 5 times in 10 years of riding.
I tried tubeless for about a year and gave up - at first I tried it without sealant using proper UST sealed rims and UST tyres - not many people do this, but in theory that's how it's meant to work - it was a total disaster - it's very difficult to get the tyres to seal and harder to keep them sealed, if I ran at my usual pressures it was okay, but didn't feel any different - if I lowered them they'd 'burp' and drop 50% which was a pain, but puncture repair was easy, I just took out the valve and put a tube in (and left it there) after a while I tried again with sealant which helped the burping a lot, but the lower pressures made the bike handling sloppy and in consistent - plus it killed my mid-corner speed, more grip yes, but so much resistance it killed momentum.
The procore system will stop the burping, it's meant to be revolutionary, and in a way it is, but at it's heart it's an inner-tube! For me, it represents, more expense, more complexity and more weight all to achieve to opportunity to run lower pressures, but I don't want to.
I can understand the benefit to lighter riders who can use lower pressures or for downhillers who can put up with the faf for a 1 all-or-nothing race run - but I can't escape the feeling that, like tubeless, most people will delve into it because "Pro".
That's interesting, I've had the opposite experience, I used to pinch flat loads with tubes but apart from the odd burp I've had no issues with tubeless. They are proper UST rims and UST tyres though. I find they burp more when the pressures are lower, and it feels like the tyre rolls on the rim. It's all meant to be rider weight relative - so a 16st rider at 35psi would face the same chance as a 8st whippet running 20psi of pinch-flatting, and have the same sort of rolling resistance (rider weight and pressure made up for the purposes of example).
But in my experience it doesn't really work that way - I'm 16st, ride 30ish at the front and 40ish at the back - I'm not some weekend warrior but I ride hard, not in a heroic way, more of an ham-fisted idiotic way, I've pinch-flatted I'd guess 4 or 5 times in 10 years of riding.
I tried tubeless for about a year and gave up - at first I tried it without sealant using proper UST sealed rims and UST tyres - not many people do this, but in theory that's how it's meant to work - it was a total disaster - it's very difficult to get the tyres to seal and harder to keep them sealed, if I ran at my usual pressures it was okay, but didn't feel any different - if I lowered them they'd 'burp' and drop 50% which was a pain, but puncture repair was easy, I just took out the valve and put a tube in (and left it there) after a while I tried again with sealant which helped the burping a lot, but the lower pressures made the bike handling sloppy and in consistent - plus it killed my mid-corner speed, more grip yes, but so much resistance it killed momentum.
The procore system will stop the burping, it's meant to be revolutionary, and in a way it is, but at it's heart it's an inner-tube! For me, it represents, more expense, more complexity and more weight all to achieve to opportunity to run lower pressures, but I don't want to.
I can understand the benefit to lighter riders who can use lower pressures or for downhillers who can put up with the faf for a 1 all-or-nothing race run - but I can't escape the feeling that, like tubeless, most people will delve into it because "Pro".
I'd agree they are hard to get on (tried once, got the hump quickly and gave up), but the LBS fit them when I buy them so that's a non issue now. I'd also agree that lots of slime helps keep them sealed, but get it right and they're fantastic.
Never had a problem installing be it Stans flows or my Roval wheels. Always with maxxis folding tyres.
Tubeless has been great. Was sick of pinch puntures. Now its just tyre tears which would still be a puncture with a tube. Currently deciding which tyres to ditch maxxis for. Exo doesnt seem to hold up on rocks.
Tubeless has been great. Was sick of pinch puntures. Now its just tyre tears which would still be a puncture with a tube. Currently deciding which tyres to ditch maxxis for. Exo doesnt seem to hold up on rocks.
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