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Get Karter said:
2011
Mid to late 1980s saw the most exciting tours whilst I have been into cycling. Lemond's 86 89 and 90 were all very tense and close contests with Hinault, Fignon and Chiapucci respectively.
Unfortunately they were also the dark days of EPO.Mid to late 1980s saw the most exciting tours whilst I have been into cycling. Lemond's 86 89 and 90 were all very tense and close contests with Hinault, Fignon and Chiapucci respectively.
You saw Thomas yesterday he just blew and how Froome in the last two days could only ride to his limit.
We didnt see Quintana attack day after day because its physically impossible to do unless you have help.
I think this is the cleanest Tour possibly the cleanest ever.But dont listen to me I believed in Armstrong
johnxjsc1985 said:
Get Karter said:
2011
Mid to late 1980s saw the most exciting tours whilst I have been into cycling. Lemond's 86 89 and 90 were all very tense and close contests with Hinault, Fignon and Chiapucci respectively.
Unfortunately they were also the dark days of EPO.Mid to late 1980s saw the most exciting tours whilst I have been into cycling. Lemond's 86 89 and 90 were all very tense and close contests with Hinault, Fignon and Chiapucci respectively.
Fignon said he used stimulants and steroids, as I'm sure many others did.
EPO was the game changer though. 1991 onwards....
Edited by Get Karter on Saturday 25th July 22:09
Get Karter said:
I disagree. I read that EPO came early 90s. Allegedly Big Mig was allegedly the first benefactor (allegedly).
Fignon said he used stimulants and steroids, as I'm sure many others did.
EPO was the game changer though. 1991 onwards....
it came in mid to late 80's plenty of other stuff used during the 80's including strychnine of all things.Fignon said he used stimulants and steroids, as I'm sure many others did.
EPO was the game changer though. 1991 onwards....
Edited by Get Karter on Saturday 25th July 22:09
Tonedron was widely used in the 60's mixed with alchohol in the case of Tom Simpson.
Get Karter said:
2011
Mid to late 1980s saw the most exciting tours whilst I have been into cycling. Lemond's 86 89 and 90 were all very tense and close contests with Hinault, Fignon and Chiapucci respectively.
Anyone interested in the racing from these years should watch the documentary on itvplayer, called something like taming the badger, really interesting stuff and in it LeMond's team mate said how everything changed and they couldn't keep up when people started using EPO in the early 90'sMid to late 1980s saw the most exciting tours whilst I have been into cycling. Lemond's 86 89 and 90 were all very tense and close contests with Hinault, Fignon and Chiapucci respectively.
I can't remember the book I read it in, but the general sentiment was that expo was the game changer.
Previously, guys were on steroids or amphetamines or whatever, but the right guys - whoever the guys perceived to be the best were - generally won. Then EPO came along and 'turned donkeys into racehorses'.
Previously, guys were on steroids or amphetamines or whatever, but the right guys - whoever the guys perceived to be the best were - generally won. Then EPO came along and 'turned donkeys into racehorses'.
sjj84 said:
Out of interest, why is today's stage considered as the final fight for the yellow jersey? What's to stop somebody making a break for it on the run into Paris?
What happened to Geraint Thomas? He was right up in the rankings a couple of days ago, even after face planting a telegraph pole.
It's a cermonial stage until they get on to the Champs d'Elysses. Lots of photographs, drinking champagne on the bikes, yellow jersey alongside lanterne rouge, that kind of thing.What happened to Geraint Thomas? He was right up in the rankings a couple of days ago, even after face planting a telegraph pole.
There will never be a 'competitive' final stage again after what Lemond did to Fignon in '89.
pembo said:
Anyone interested in the racing from these years should watch the documentary on itvplayer, called something like taming the badger, really interesting stuff and in it LeMond's team mate said how everything changed and they couldn't keep up when people started using EPO in the early 90's
It's called Slaying the Badger & ITV 4 aired it last week after one of it's highlights show , luckily enough i managed to catch it & it was truly fantastic. If you have a spare hour or so to kill, it's still on there & it's really a great watch.
Edited by Black can man on Sunday 26th July 09:14
Edited by Black can man on Sunday 26th July 09:14
Don1 said:
Terrible animosity towards Froome and Sky - spitting, urine and booing. Is it because he is British, on a British team?
they are called idiots and they exist everywhere unfortunately. The press have been stoking the "Froome must be doping" story as they are pissed off that no Frenchman has won the Tour since 1985 and now of all the people they do not want winning it us Brits now have a strangle hold on itMagic919 said:
TdF seems to attract more than its fair share of the idiots.
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this was also discussed on the Golf thread why people act in such an inappropriate way in amongst a large crowd. When you see idiots running alongside a rider screaming at them it must be terribly hard for the rider to resist thumping them..
They cannot however make contact with the public for fear of being thrown off the Tour.
Lets hope today is idiot free
Black can man said:
It's called Slaying the Badger & ITV 4 aired it last week after one of it's highlights show , luckily enough i managed to catch it & it was truly fantastic.
https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/slaying-the-badger
SixPotBelly said:
if you want to see the effect of Drugs in the 60's check out "death on the mountain" story of Tom Simpson.Sky Sports are reporting a car trying drive through a barrier in Paris with the Police firing at the Car.
The Car has escaped but SKY Sports are suggesting (wrongly in my opinion) the final stage could be affected.
Don1 said:
Terrible animosity towards Froome and Sky - spitting, urine and booing. Is it because he is British, on a British team?
He is a great athlete but as far as being British, well am sure it's been discussed at length elsewhere but a lad who grew up in Kenya, live in SA and abodes in Monaco is always going to struggle with the popularity stakes on what nationality he represents...kurt535 said:
He is a great athlete but as far as being British, well am sure it's been discussed at length elsewhere but a lad who grew up in Kenya, live in SA and abodes in Monaco is always going to struggle with the popularity stakes on what nationality he represents...
if he is winning he is British
johnxjsc1985 said:
kurt535 said:
He is a great athlete but as far as being British, well am sure it's been discussed at length elsewhere but a lad who grew up in Kenya, live in SA and abodes in Monaco is always going to struggle with the popularity stakes on what nationality he represents...
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