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mcelliott said:
That's not the same Lance Armstrong who, after a long term illness announced himself as a grand tour gc rider, with a fourth place in the Vuelta 98. A rider who formerly couldn't climb or time trial for toffee, and had lost over 15% of his skeletal muscle mass, and then went on to dominate numerous Tour de Frances. Hopefully, we are never likely to see that sort of dramatic and unexplained transformation again...
I think we all see what you did there.I'm disinclined to believe that Dave Brailsford has been running a criminal conspiracy, so prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt.
johnxjsc1985 said:
ewenm said:
Given that Quintana was the faster climber in the Alps after 2 weeks of hard racing, is he being subjected to the same scrutiny and questions as Froome?
No he isnt and nobody questioned Niabli's remarkable change in form.
t and got slightly better, with a stage win thrown in.Edited by mcelliott on Monday 27th July 17:34
The constant drug clouds hanging over the TDF is a shame but a massive hangover of decades of substance abuse that kept on surfacing.
What for the life of me I can't understand is how football, tennis, etc has got away with little or no scrutiny over the same time frame. I find it hard to believe there have been no issues in those sports, and many others.
However, if someone told me I had to ride 3000+km averaging 30km/h over mountainous stages I'd cry beg borrow steal something to make the pain go away every day
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What for the life of me I can't understand is how football, tennis, etc has got away with little or no scrutiny over the same time frame. I find it hard to believe there have been no issues in those sports, and many others.
However, if someone told me I had to ride 3000+km averaging 30km/h over mountainous stages I'd cry beg borrow steal something to make the pain go away every day
)Dopingis a cloud but one that cyclists and pro tour spectators themselves appear keen to retain. We could all just sit back and watch the race happen but there are too many people now who, when the guy they support isn't winning, start throwing unfounded allegations around which means the doping discussion rolls on and on and on and on......
pablo said:
Doping is a cloud but one that cyclists and pro tour spectators themselves appear keen to retain. We could all just sit back and watch the race happen but there are too many people now who, when the guy they support isn't winning, start throwing unfounded allegations around which means the doping discussion rolls on and on and on and on......
What also doesn't help is the fact that the dopers (and some of the facilitators), especially Lance Armstrong, are still around and in the public eye! Mr Armstrong and his fellow dopers should have disappeared in shame years ago but like Harry Potter's arch nemesis, Lord Voldemorte they hang around in the shadows constantly dripping the seeds of doubt and suspicion!kurt535 said:
What for the life of me I can't understand is how football, tennis, etc has got away with little or no scrutiny over the same time frame. I find it hard to believe there have been no issues in those sports, and many others.
I have knowledge of some sports but I believe most professional sports with any serious money in them are rife with PEDs. The difference is that with football, to take your example, physical skill can overcome any fitness deficit. There's nowhere to hide in athletics or cycling, which is perhaps why they had/have more visible problems with doping.Vocal Minority said:
S10GTA said:
So who crashed on the final run in, and how is he?
Not sure, i saw it and it looked pretty grim - but SWMBO told me (I had briefly wondered off) that the commentators said he had gotten up and rode over the line. i thought it was a Trek rider from the little we saw of them.
VEA said:
Thanks for that, awesome little summary.Banana Boy said:
pablo said:
Doping is a cloud but one that cyclists and pro tour spectators themselves appear keen to retain. We could all just sit back and watch the race happen but there are too many people now who, when the guy they support isn't winning, start throwing unfounded allegations around which means the doping discussion rolls on and on and on and on......
What also doesn't help is the fact that the dopers (and some of the facilitators), especially Lance Armstrong, are still around and in the public eye! Mr Armstrong and his fellow dopers should have disappeared in shame years ago but like Harry Potter's arch nemesis, Lord Voldemorte they hang around in the shadows constantly dripping the seeds of doubt and suspicion!jesusbuiltmycar said:
Whilst we're on the subject of ex-dopers anyone know why Vinokurov gets an easier time the Armstrong? IMHO he is just as bad, if not worse - yet he is allowed to run the Astana team
Armstrong is by far the highest profile doper that's been exposed. He was also really, really, unpleasant to various people who went public with the truth about his doping before he was finally exposed. I don't think many people believe that he's really in any way repentant, either.I guess Vino has served whatever suspensions he got for the offences he was done for, so there's not much else that can be done legally.
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