De Rosa SK Pininfarina
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m444ttb said:
My local bike shop is a De Rosa dealer and they do look like lovely machines. oddly the one that catches my eye the most is a more regular ali framed bike. This one doesn't do much for me. Certainly less than the Trek Madone 9 from the other week.
Milanino? I've bought another one (gone down a size and different colour) and the quality of the welding is top notch.okgo said:
Well we can be sure that if anyone is doing the innovating De Rosa will copy it a year later and treble the price #artisan
Isn't imitation the most sincere form of flattery? 
SixPotBelly said:
Banana Boy said:
Until you end up with something like Chris Boardman's Lotus Bike or Graham Obree's Hour Record frame nothing will look too different or revolutionary?!
At which point the UCI will ban it. :grrr:okgo said:
Exactly. Nothing that interesting about it when it's black with shallow wheels, and it would look like the Canyon with a dash of Giant Propel.
It will be overpriced and under specced like any other big brand though de rosa seem worse for this cashing in on people buying 'Italian'
Better than supporting a company that cashes in by eating its own.It will be overpriced and under specced like any other big brand though de rosa seem worse for this cashing in on people buying 'Italian'
Edited by okgo on Thursday 27th August 09:09
All Italian bikes are not created equal anyways, though many have unfortunately been forced into the profits-before-product model pushed by Mr. Sinyard and a few others. But whatever makes you happy.
Cobblers. Why is it better then to support a manufacturer who chooses to trade on a heritage and not innovation? Its business, why certain European cycling manufacturers somehow feel that they are exempt from market forces and capitalism is beyond me.
Funnily enough its the "family owned" companies without shareholders who whine the most. They have nothing to offer in terms of innovation as the bike in question shows, they take design vues from a competitor, partner with a trendy design house name and throw a few tricolores to reassure people that its not a nasty far eastern bike made by those pesk Chinese industrialists.... and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
Funnily enough its the "family owned" companies without shareholders who whine the most. They have nothing to offer in terms of innovation as the bike in question shows, they take design vues from a competitor, partner with a trendy design house name and throw a few tricolores to reassure people that its not a nasty far eastern bike made by those pesk Chinese industrialists.... and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
pablo said:
Cobblers. Why is it better then to support a manufacturer who chooses to trade on a heritage and not innovation? Its business, why certain European cycling manufacturers somehow feel that they are exempt from market forces and capitalism is beyond me.
Funnily enough its the "family owned" companies without shareholders who whine the most. They have nothing to offer in terms of innovation as the bike in question shows, they take design vues from a competitor, partner with a trendy design house name and throw a few tricolores to reassure people that its not a nasty far eastern bike made by those pesk Chinese industrialists.... and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
Mmmm. A Sinyard apologist. Been here before regarding the vicious lawsuits directed at the weakest in the cycling community, Donguan Taihe's finest sweatshop labor pumping out the same parts shared across 6 brands, the t-shirt sizing to reduce mnfg. costs, etc. All in all, a typical American business venture and staple of globalization. Kind of like the strip-mallification of the cycling industry. And sooner or later, all must comply or die trying not to. Funnily enough its the "family owned" companies without shareholders who whine the most. They have nothing to offer in terms of innovation as the bike in question shows, they take design vues from a competitor, partner with a trendy design house name and throw a few tricolores to reassure people that its not a nasty far eastern bike made by those pesk Chinese industrialists.... and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
If you want to argue that their bikes can offer any real performance benefits over the top-tier Italian brands you so despise (or rather envy), then by all means indulge. I've not seen a shred of evidence that they can. Lots of reasons to avoid them though.
scherzkeks said:
pablo said:
Cobblers. Why is it better then to support a manufacturer who chooses to trade on a heritage and not innovation? Its business, why certain European cycling manufacturers somehow feel that they are exempt from market forces and capitalism is beyond me.
Funnily enough its the "family owned" companies without shareholders who whine the most. They have nothing to offer in terms of innovation as the bike in question shows, they take design vues from a competitor, partner with a trendy design house name and throw a few tricolores to reassure people that its not a nasty far eastern bike made by those pesk Chinese industrialists.... and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
Mmmm. A Sinyard apologist. Been here before regarding the vicious lawsuits directed at the weakest in the cycling community, Donguan Taihe's finest sweatshop labor pumping out the same parts shared across 6 brands, the t-shirt sizing to reduce mnfg. costs, etc. All in all, a typical American business venture and staple of globalization. Kind of like the strip-mallification of the cycling industry. And sooner or later, all must comply or die trying not to. Funnily enough its the "family owned" companies without shareholders who whine the most. They have nothing to offer in terms of innovation as the bike in question shows, they take design vues from a competitor, partner with a trendy design house name and throw a few tricolores to reassure people that its not a nasty far eastern bike made by those pesk Chinese industrialists.... and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
If you want to argue that their bikes can offer any real performance benefits over the top-tier Italian brands you so despise (or rather envy), then by all means indulge. I've not seen a shred of evidence that they can. Lots of reasons to avoid them though.
I dont despise any brand and certainly dont envy Italian ones. I could buy a bike from a top tier Italian brand if I wanted, actually I could buy a top tier Italian MANUFACTURER like Legend, Passioni or Pegoretti if I really wanted but I dont want to because I am on a limited budget and I want to know I am buying substance not style thus I buy bikes from manufacturers who trade on their innovation not their heritage.
I know if I said Specialised sell more you would say market saturation, if I said pro tour riders dont ride De Rosa you'd say Spelcaised pay the teams more to ride their bikes, dont get me wrong, I know an argument with you would be a long and boring affair. So rather than tell me why Specialised arent any better, try explaining to me why De Rosa are as good? Here is your opportunity to promote this brand that so many of us apaprently despise...
The end point a brand can do their own thing if they think they have the right buiness model, clearly trading on their origins is working out for some at the moment but for how long who knows, long term it is obviously unsustainable.
Dont cry foul at Companies like Trek and Specilasied when De Rosa et al finally accept defeat and source everything from the Far East because they cant compete on cost and havent been doing anything bar gauche marketing campaigns with automotive design studios.
Innovate or die, sound familiar?!....
il sole said:
pablo said:
and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
think you'll find all SR components are still made in VicenzaEdited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 1st September 18:14
pablo said:
il sole said:
pablo said:
and thats without mentioning the Romanian groupset...
think you'll find all SR components are still made in VicenzaEdited by pablo on Tuesday 1st September 18:14
I'm not a roadie and I've never used campag components, and I am not tribal about brands either but I was looking at some videos online comparing Super Record and Dura Ace and in the shifting stakes, SR was decidedly clunky to my eyes, whereas the DA shifted precisely, quickly and cleanly both up and down the sprockets. Now, I know that a video tells me very little and it could have been poorly set-up but this wasn't just some chap at home. I've always found Shimano stuff to be spot on and well honed. I recently ditched my SRAM drivetrain and brakes for Shimano for this very reason... Anyway I digress.
pablo said:
I dont despise any brand and certainly dont envy Italian ones. I could buy a bike from a top tier Italian brand if I wanted, actually I could buy a top tier Italian MANUFACTURER like Legend, Passioni or Pegoretti if I really wanted but I dont want to because I am on a limited budget and I want to know I am buying substance not style thus I buy bikes from manufacturers who trade on their innovation not their heritage.
Those companies are the exact opposite of that which you desire. They are classic builders that trade on heritage -- artisinal builders, for which one pays a premium for the fact that they are hand built and that Dario once built frames for pros. Ugo and Ernesto have arguably more history, also built undercover under contract, and still manage to produce some hand-made and truly modern bikes in-house. They are also big names now, and thus have been forced to make concessions to the market gods in order to avoid being eaten by Pacific Cycle. Your argument is self-defeating on two fronts. pablo said:
I know if I said Specialised sell more you would say market saturation, if I said pro tour riders dont ride De Rosa you'd say Spelcaised pay the teams more to ride their bikes,
Correct. Better to just admit that Sinyard knows his customer base. Now, please englighten me on this innovation that one finds among non-Italian brands today. You seem to be the expert in this area.Gassing Station | Pedal Powered | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff