PH does Rad Am Ring 2016 - 24 hour race at the Nurburgring
Discussion
louiebaby said:
I've been enjoying reading about the event, and would love to get involved, but with the best will in the world, the missus isn't going to sign it off for 2016. 2017 maybe...
That's a shame. We'd been hoping you would take our bait!louiebaby said:
WRT getting a bit of kip at night, perhaps one person missing one cycle per cycle would be a nice way to get a longer rest, by rider number, the sequence would be:
Normal:
1, 2, 3, 4
Night:
2, 3, 4
1, 3, 4
1, 2, 4
1, 2, 3
Back to Normal:
1, 2, 3, 4
That way, each person gets a rest of 6 laps, rather than the normal 3, but no one has to do double duty. It should be faster.
So compared to single stinting we'd swap Normal:
1, 2, 3, 4
Night:
2, 3, 4
1, 3, 4
1, 2, 4
1, 2, 3
Back to Normal:
1, 2, 3, 4
That way, each person gets a rest of 6 laps, rather than the normal 3, but no one has to do double duty. It should be faster.
4 x 3 lap rests
for:
1 x 3 lap rest + 3 x 2 lap rest + 1 x 6 lap rest.
Sounds like an excellent idea.
Only downside I can see is if we start the night rota at 22:00, rider A has his 6 hour sleep break 18:00-01:00 and rider D has his 07:00-12:00
louiebaby said:
Also, with the laps being so long, how do they work out a winner? Surely there will be quite a few teams who complete the winning number of laps. Is it the earliest time that that number is completed?
Imagine so. I don't know about Rad, but at R24/The6 it was who completed the winning number of laps the earliest. What you did after the clock timed out didn't count, so if two of you did 180 laps but you finished your 180th lap with 00:06:00 to go and your adversary completed his with 00:05:59 to go you beat him. Assuming he didn't sprint off and get round in time to complete a 181st lap before the timer reached 00:00:00, that is.Edited by SixPotBelly on Tuesday 17th November 13:09
SixPotBelly said:
So compared to single stinting we'd swap
4 x 3 lap rests
for:
1 x 3 lap rest + 3 x 2 lap rest + 1 x 6 lap rest.
Sounds like an excellent idea.
Only downside I can see is if we start the night rota at 22:00, rider A has his 6 hour sleep break 18:00-01:00 and rider D has his 07:00-12:00
Sort of. Rider A in your example would start his break at 19:00 though, after finishing his 18:00 stint. (1 hour laps is a bit relaxed isn't it? Strava lap record for a lass is 47 mins, so maybe plug 45 mins per lap into your sheet. 4 x 3 lap rests
for:
1 x 3 lap rest + 3 x 2 lap rest + 1 x 6 lap rest.
Sounds like an excellent idea.
Only downside I can see is if we start the night rota at 22:00, rider A has his 6 hour sleep break 18:00-01:00 and rider D has his 07:00-12:00
louiebaby said:
Sort of. Rider A in your example would start his break at 19:00 though, after finishing his 18:00 stint. (1 hour laps is a bit relaxed isn't it? Strava lap record for a lass is 47 mins, so maybe plug 45 mins per lap into your sheet.
Have you not read about SPB's exploits on a bike? I'll be surprised if he doesn't take a slight detour and end up at Adenau for breakfast on his morning lap!louiebaby said:
Sort of. Rider A in your example would start his break at 19:00 though, after finishing his 18:00 stint. (1 hour laps is a bit relaxed isn't it? Strava lap record for a lass is 47 mins, so maybe plug 45 mins per lap into your sheet.
Ah, yes, I may have made an error in reading my own spreadsheet 
47 minutes for a girlie, true, but she was probably a super-fit 5% body fat E/1 racing snake of a girl. The slowest time on the Strava segment is over 4 hours. Median time is 1 hour, which given the profile I expect will be about right when we're all a bit tired. Ok, 55 minutes.
pembo said:
I will go in a smaller team if it's needed.
I don't know the deal with registering teams with 2,3 or 4 members and then changing it up but I'm sure SPB knows all about it.
Surely we can whip up some more interest when people come out of hibernation.
You're a top bloke, pembo! I'm hoping we'll get some more yet but it's good to know we've got options in arranging the teams so everyone can come who wants to if not.I don't know the deal with registering teams with 2,3 or 4 members and then changing it up but I'm sure SPB knows all about it.
Surely we can whip up some more interest when people come out of hibernation.
WRT changing team sizes, there's no online facility to do that but I expect it could be arranged by email. The prices are different for the different team sizes, but asking nicely and paying the additional plus an admin fee would probably work. Certainly there is provision to cancel and receive a refund, less an admin fee, so changes could be made by cancelling and rebooking if need be.
The prices go up 10% at the end of January:
| Disciplines/Team Size | until 31/01/2016 | until 06/07/2016 | Late Entry Fee |
|---|---|---|---|
| 24h road bike: team of 8 | €770,00 | €825,00 | €80,00 |
| 24h road bike: team of 4 | €400,00 | €440,00 | €50,00 |
| 24h road bike: team of 2 | €220,00 | €250,00 | €30,00 |
| 24h road bike: indivudual rider | €110,00 | €130,00 | €20,00 |
So I'm thinking we set ourselves a deadline of mid Jan to get additional full teams. We'll register the third team when we get enough if it's before then, but if not we'll register what we have before the price rise. What do people think about waiting until mid-Jan before registering a 2-man? Seek and pembo, especially.
Seek said:
Thanks for sorting out a decent overview.
Fine with me
Just as an addendum, there's no 3-man team option but if we end up with only three then we could register a 4-man and run it a man short. Provided the extra cost was acceptable, of course.Fine with me
And, as an aside, will you be travelling from Sweden? If so I won't bore you with which tunnel crossing we're getting etc.
SixPotBelly said:
Just as an addendum, there's no 3-man team option but if we end up with only three then we could register a 4-man and run it a man short. Provided the extra cost was acceptable, of course.
Fine with me.SixPotBelly said:
And, as an aside, will you be travelling from Sweden? If so I won't bore you with which tunnel crossing we're getting etc.
I won't need be needing a tunnel CoolC said:
Any hints or tips you can give us newbies?
Are the "parcels" a good size in reality? is it possible to expand out the back of them?
The parcels/pitches are on the GP track. My mate runs a guesthouse locally and she booked the same pitch for the past 4 years which was about 50m up from turn one of the GP track as it's near the toilets, showers, electrics and are a decent size. BirdThom and I were in the same group but different teams. His team was much faster than mine!Are the "parcels" a good size in reality? is it possible to expand out the back of them?
We did it in 4 man teams and the 1 on 3 off means no sleep. We changed to the splitting in 2 teams of 2 overnight so we did one on one off twice while the other two slept.
Take enough changes of clothes for each lap, nothing worse that putting on cold sweaty clothes at 4am. I took my bib shorts off immediately after coming in.
Expect usual Eifel weather. I've had blistering heat, freezing cold, thick fog, thunder, lightening and torrential rain.
Put your ankle transponder in a bidon and pass that to the next rider. Saves faffing with taking it on and off.
If I were to do it again, I'd only do it as a social thing and lap together, not caring about where we finish. I go with my mates but we hardly see each other due to us being out and sleeping at different times. My most enjoyable lap was my final lap this year. My mate and I had driven there from the Alps were we had been for the Etape and we lapped together at a leisurely pace, stopped at Hohe Acht for waffles and drinks before carrying on to take the chequered flag.
Edited by Mark83 on Friday 11th December 13:48
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