Which computer?

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smifffymoto

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4,545 posts

205 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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I am going to be starting mtb again in the near future and want a computer that will also be accurate for elevation changes as there are some bloody big hill around and I want to be able to see if the pain and suffering is worth it.

ALawson

7,815 posts

251 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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The barometer equipped ones are better than those without, however they are effected by atmospheric pressure. Therefore if a pressure system passes over you whilst riding on a flat road you could easily gain or loose elevation. Hence the elevation correction button on Strava.

I have a Garmin Edge 1000, which has on the whole been pretty good. In retrospect if I didn't need the mapping I would probably try a 520 simply due to the better battery life.

What sensors do you run on MTB? Just speed and HR, or the full cadence and power (if you have PM)?

anonymous-user

54 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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I've got a Garmin 920XT, I use it with a HRM, speed and cadence sensor (I like gadgets).

I never ride without it, elevation appears pretty good.

smifffymoto

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4,545 posts

205 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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I haven't cycled for a long time so really just want distance,time and elevation.
I will be cycling in the Pyrenees so I would like it to be as reliable and accurate as possible,at this stage that is about it.
Do I really need more than that as I am not that bothered about wattage,cadence or is it better to have more functions.

loudlashadjuster

5,107 posts

184 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Having been given a 520 for Christmas I'm horrified by the whole 1990s-level stness of it and am pretty much of the opinion that as simple a ride computer as possible (£20 thing to give elapsed time, distance etc.) on the bike and a barometric phone in the pocket for recording is just as good, if not better.

neilbauer

2,467 posts

183 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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Love my Edge 1000

HardtopManual

2,421 posts

166 months

Friday 5th February 2016
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I have a Garmin 520, having previously owned an 800. The 800 was almost comically rubbish - poor screen resolution, unusable mapping and impossible to use in the rain due to the touchscreen interpreting raindrops as finger presses. The 520, while supposedly less advanced, is actually a much more usable computer - no touchscreen means you can use it in the rain or while wearing gloves, the screen resolution is better and it is just all round more responsive. It's still not great though.

However, as others have alluded to, it still isn't a patch on a smartphone. To me, it seems Garmin is resting on its laurels and it really wouldn't take much for someone to come along and devour its lunch. I'm at a loss as to why nobody has come along with an Android-based bike computer that's basically a waterproof smartphone with a bigger battery. You could even install your favourite apps on it rather than be stuck with the, frankly, sub-par software that runs every bike computer I've ever used.

So, to the OP, not much help I'm afraid, other than "don't get an Edge 800/810 or a 520".

Black can man

31,833 posts

168 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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I'm pretty happy with my 800, does everything i need.

smifffymoto

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4,545 posts

205 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Back in the day it was Sigma or Cateye.Have they lost it compared to Garmin and others.

broster

489 posts

177 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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I have a 520, I love it. Had an 800 prior to that and it had the live tracking function I'd have kept it.

What do people expect from the 520 which makes them so disappointing? It's a bike computer not a smart phone.

Magic919

14,126 posts

201 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Once GPS got going, Cateye and Sigma ceased to be an option for me.

I think Garmin is ok and we have several of them. I currently have the Edge 800 and 820 for biking.

Scott W

571 posts

243 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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I've got a Polar V650 coupled with their HRM and a Wahoo cadence/speed sensor. I have found the Polar to be ideal for getting stats whilst riding and afterwards as well. Polar now sync with Strava so take a look at their offerings as well as they are always updating their functionality.

loudlashadjuster

5,107 posts

184 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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broster said:
I have a 520, I love it. Had an 800 prior to that and it had the live tracking function I'd have kept it.

What do people expect from the 520 which makes them so disappointing? It's a bike computer not a smart phone.
A £60 Android phone has:

A much better/bigger screen
A much faster processor
Much more storage
Greater connectivity

Garmin charge £200+ for a device that should cost £80-100. Their software is a disaster; no effective maps pre-installed, poorly architected (it requires two apps (PC & mobile) and an online account just to work, and after that you still have to drag and drop maps into the device's file structure!) and with an atrocious UI. The last time I used software that bad was with a no-name Chinese MP3 player in about 1999. The number of issues with some devices is shocking (lost rides etc.) considering that is ALL they are meant to do.

The market is ripe for disruption, Garmin don't really deserve our money.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

212 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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smifffymoto said:
Back in the day it was Sigma or Cateye.Have they lost it compared to Garmin and others.
Yes.

I had a Cateye Strada Cadence for 5 years. Was OK, albeit Cadence was pointless. And due to the shape of my chainstays it wasn't useable for deep Carbons.

That eventually died. So I bought a cheaper Cateye Strada slimline. Maybe I've got a dud one, but it's st! Go above 30K and it stops working. Loses signal far too easily so you're riding along with it saying 0km/h.

Don't want a Garmin, so as mentioned above. Just do Strava on the phone and it's all good. Though last weeks ride got all buggered up (first time it's done that) on the map and it gave me an average of 77km/h laugh

wemorgan

3,578 posts

178 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Strava is ok to record a basic ride but no good for structured training.
I use a garmin 310xt multisport watch with a quick release mount for the bike.
Interval and heart rate zone training are easy to setup.
The 310 with heart rate monitor is only £100. The 930 will likely be released this year, so the 910 and 920 should reduce in price.

smifffymoto

Original Poster:

4,545 posts

205 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Thanks so far chaps but I'm still non the wiser. I would like to download routes from Uttagawa so will need something able to do that but from your replies there isn't a clear winner.

wemorgan

3,578 posts

178 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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If you're after basic metrics and routes then a smart phone looks to be your best/cheapest solution.

HardtopManual

2,421 posts

166 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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broster said:
What do people expect from the 520 which makes them so disappointing? It's a bike computer not a smart phone.
loudlashadjuster said:
Garmin charge £200+ for a device that should cost £80-100. Their software is a disaster; no effective maps pre-installed, poorly architected ... atrocious UI
This, this and all this.

smifffymoto

Original Poster:

4,545 posts

205 months

Saturday 6th February 2016
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Well, I've just dug out an old i phone 4s of my kids,now just have to find a decent handlebar mount.For once it looks like I haven't got to spend much money to get going.

Rich_W

12,548 posts

212 months

Sunday 7th February 2016
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wemorgan said:
Strava is ok to record a basic ride but no good for structured training.
I use a garmin 310xt multisport watch with a quick release mount for the bike.
Interval and heart rate zone training are easy to setup.
The 310 with heart rate monitor is only £100. The 930 will likely be released this year, so the 910 and 920 should reduce in price.
True enough.

Though when I was training last year for an Ironman. My training plan for my various Turbo sessions and even my Weekend Long rides was all about time, not distance. I didn't use a HR monitor and I didn't train to Zones either. RPE was what I was asked to use.

I could have gotten away with a £3 Casio watch taped to the bars.