Disc Brakes

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duff

976 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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A CAAD12 makes no sense in your position. You already have 2 summer bikes (well, bikes that don't have guard mounts) and back issues IIRC? Therefore the sensible option would be a bike with more relaxed geometry and that takes guards.

I would go for this in your situation : https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-dolomite-6-20...

I have a similar bike (Pyrolite with cable discs) and aside from being pretty heavy, it's a good do-it-all bike.

Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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fromage said:
Even though I rarely clean my bike in winter I do make an effort of a quick wipe of the rims and brake pads every now and again (maybe once every 1-2 weeks) and get about 20,000 miles out a set of cheap wheels.

Also generally with racing cyclists they do more miles/hours in the winter than summer and 34 hour months aren't big at all compared to most people I know .Its often seen as the time to 'build endurance' where as summer is used for racing or short harder efforts.
20k miles out of a cheap set of wheels sounds remarkable. Maybe I should take the cleaning of wheels more seriously.

okgo

37,859 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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How are you defining them as worn out?


Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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duff said:
A CAAD12 makes no sense in your position. You already have 2 summer bikes (well, bikes that don't have guard mounts) and back issues IIRC? Therefore the sensible option would be a bike with more relaxed geometry and that takes guards.

I would go for this in your situation : https://www.evanscycles.com/pinnacle-dolomite-6-20...

I have a similar bike (Pyrolite with cable discs) and aside from being pretty heavy, it's a good do-it-all bike.
Personally I don't judge a winter bike solely for the ability to take guards. For me it is a heavier more robust bike that you are happy to expose to all conditions where wear and tear is not so much of an issue. I had guards on the Bianchi and they just didn't work so I now use a removable rear as and when I need it, much easier and much less hassle. So I don't count the Bianchi as a summer bike at all, it is an all rounder which I use all year round but am not fussy about. It get's a lot of stick.

I want to replace that all year round bike with a better framed, better fitting and better specced "do it all bike" and leave the Bianchi as a 3rd spare bike, rarely used but there if I need it.

I am not sure a Pinnacle really cuts it for me. I want something I can cherish, as I have done the Bianchi, and keep long term, something that excites, something that feels good and altogether something that can still get me to work quickly and be taken on a fast club run and not cause me to be puffing away as if I am on a hybrid.

Someone I know mentioned the Pinnacle so I will have a look at it but from what I understand it comes with a weight penalty which I don't want. My daily commute involves a bulky rucksack anyway so I already get some weight to train with!

aka_kerrly

12,416 posts

209 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Dizeee said:
I can get a caliper brake version for 850 yet the first hydraulic disc option is 2k.
Am I missing something here, the frame costs the same with/without a disc mount & Evans have the disc equipped model for £1500.

A set of Shimano hydraulic brakes are ~ £300

Does looks like a fantastic bike, some damn good reviews to.

Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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okgo said:
How are you defining them as worn out?
Braking surface.

The last two sets I was repeatedly warned that they were dangerously low by the LBS, I knew they were low, but I took them as far as I dared. One set I started wearing out the actual rim beneath the braking surface. They had a very decent hollow around the centre of the braking surface and it was getting to the point where I was worrying when they might go bang.

Dizeee

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205 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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aka_kerrly said:
Am I missing something here, the frame costs the same with/without a disc mount & Evans have the disc equipped model for £1500.

A set of Shimano hydraulic brakes are ~ £300

Does looks like a fantastic bike, some damn good reviews to.
I missed that the 105 version was hydraulic disc, so yes, it can be had for £1500 which to me feels like damn good value, wheels aside.

duff

976 posts

198 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Dizeee said:
Personally I don't judge a winter bike solely for the ability to take guards. For me it is a heavier more robust bike that you are happy to expose to all conditions where wear and tear is not so much of an issue.
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Dizeee said:
I want something I can cherish, as I have done the Bianchi, and keep long term, something that excites, something that feels good and altogether something that can still get me to work quickly and be taken on a fast club run and not cause me to be puffing away as if I am on a hybrid.
There is quite a bit of contradiction in these statements. Sounds like you've made your mind up but I would really be looking at function over form, there is too much overlap in the purpose of your bikes otherwise. Proper guards will be quieter, fit better and probably allow wider tyres - not to mention keeping a lot of muck off you, the bike and the people behind you. I've run a Supersix as my winter bike before and it's fine if you're riding alone, cleaning it a lot and don't mind a wet arse. I find the Pinnacle much better for winter though and have a nice(ish) bike for summer.

You should be able to build up a Kinesis Racelight 4s disc for less than the Caad12. Even so, I'd be looking at a more relaxed bike for now if you've had back problems....


Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Yes that is something I need to consider. My back isn't fixed to the point I can forget about it but it seems I am now able to pretty much do what I want with minimal side effects as long as I follow the rules of posture and position which are key.

I have only just (last 2 months) really thrown myself back into road riding. So far so good and the improvement continues, hopefully to the point where I can forget about it. I personally feel that the CAAD12 position is similar to the Bianchi, it certainly felt like it. The Synapse was very upright, more so than I have ever felt before on a road bike and it felt too relaxed and restricted.

Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Thursday 23rd June 2016
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Also like the Kinesis - an idea I had forgot about!

battered

4,088 posts

146 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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okgo said:
How are you defining them as worn out?
I run my rims until the outer rim actually splits or until the rim becomes so fragile it kinks on a pothole. On better rims with safe wear indicators, until the wear pips diappear.

okgo

37,859 posts

197 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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I was just wondering, because as Fromage says, I've run wheels for a long long time before they wear out. Good pads can reduce rim wear hugely I think. Though they do cost a little more.

ALawson

7,814 posts

250 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Those SL23 I wore out had a dimple which was pretty shallow. In the end the rear rim got down to 0.7 & 0.8mm thick. I was advised to think about replacing at 1mm and deffinately not go below 0.7mm.

I am now using pads which wear out quicker than the Aztec ones I was using.

Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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okgo said:
I was just wondering, because as Fromage says, I've run wheels for a long long time before they wear out. Good pads can reduce rim wear hugely I think. Though they do cost a little more.
I also confess to just using standard pads, normally Aztecs or such pads. I never felt swisstops were worth it for a bike I use in all weathers on budget rims etc.


okgo

37,859 posts

197 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Yeh makes sense - they are a LOT better, but as said, annoyingly costly vs aztec or similar.

Magic919

14,126 posts

200 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Kinesis Racelight 4S looked like a good winter bike to me too. Di2 routing not as easy as I'd hoped, but ok otherwise.

uncinqsix

3,239 posts

209 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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Magic919 said:
Kinesis Racelight 4S looked like a good winter bike to me too. Di2 routing not as easy as I'd hoped, but ok otherwise.
I've been pondering a Racelight 4S for a while (as an "all year round" bike). Thanks to Brexit, the pound has gone into freefall and knocked 10% off the price of getting a frame to me here in NZ. Very tempting, but I'm still not sure if I would end up with a better bike than a Defy 1 with the same kind of budget...

Kermit power

28,634 posts

212 months

Friday 24th June 2016
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okgo said:
Yeh makes sense - they are a LOT better, but as said, annoyingly costly vs aztec or similar.
Bloody hell!!!

First Brexit, and now okgo agreeing with a Dizzee post??? What is the world coming to? hehe

FWIW, if you're looking for an all weather bike and your commute is going to be a major part of it, I wouldn't contemplate anything without discs and mudguard mounts.

Rims will last pretty much forever, pads last a lot, lot longer than rim pads, you get next to no deterioration in braking ability, you're not having to clean your rims twice a day on a bad day in London, and so long as they're hydraulic, those occasional niggling bits of rubbing are a thing of the past.

As for the mudguards, it's far more civilised for anyone behind you, you won't get a wet arse and back, and it's amazing how much rain you can cope with before your shoes become soggy.

Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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okgo said:
Yeh makes sense - they are a LOT better, but as said, annoyingly costly vs aztec or similar.
Hold up - thread has gone on for 2 pages now and no attacks, no harsh comments - in fact if I get my magnifying glass out I see a general agreement mixed with respectful comments - okgo are you feeling ok?


Dizeee

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18,168 posts

205 months

Saturday 25th June 2016
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Kermit power said:
Bloody hell!!!

First Brexit, and now okgo agreeing with a Dizzee post??? What is the world coming to? hehe

FWIW, if you're looking for an all weather bike and your commute is going to be a major part of it, I wouldn't contemplate anything without discs and mudguard mounts.

Rims will last pretty much forever, pads last a lot, lot longer than rim pads, you get next to no deterioration in braking ability, you're not having to clean your rims twice a day on a bad day in London, and so long as they're hydraulic, those occasional niggling bits of rubbing are a thing of the past.

As for the mudguards, it's far more civilised for anyone behind you, you won't get a wet arse and back, and it's amazing how much rain you can cope with before your shoes become soggy.
lol

Wet arse doesn't bother me one jot.

Saving 5 mins getting home on a 30 mile journey does though!