Licence or ban cycling in London
Discussion
NatAsp said:
heebeegeetee said:
All of those figures pale into insignificance against killers such as heart disease, obesity etc. Exercise is probably the biggest defence against societies biggest killer, and it's an exercise you can whilst travelling.
To say cycling is a major killer is just trolling, and the complete reverse of the truth.
Exactly, these numbers are totally irrelevant when you consider the knock-on effects on health. It's comparing apples vs oranges. The fact that people fail to recognise this is beyond idiotic, a phrase that lends itself very well to this thread. To say cycling is a major killer is just trolling, and the complete reverse of the truth.
Licensing bicyclists?
Banning bicycling in London?
A brief snippet on the radio news this morning told me that last year 40 learner drivers were caught getting someone else to sit their test for them. And presumably the authorities aren't claiming to have caught anywhere near ALL of those cheating the system that way. So we must, therefore, be able to presume that there are quite a number of "qualified and licensed" motor vehicle drivers out there who have never passed a test, yet hold an officially issued document that permits them to drive.
Seriously. If the authorities cannot get their house in order to prevent these cheats getting driving licenses which permit them to get into vehicles which can easily become weapons in the wrong hands, what actual f
king hope is there of putting in place a properly administered and secure system for licensing "bicycle drivers"? And what real public desire is there for such a system? Half a dozen swivel-eyed whining babies on an internet motoring forum? Jog on. Explain to us, OP, and to "the people" (the electorate) just how much your draconian testing and licensing regime will cost the public purse? Because much like roads, "road tax", and driver licensing, the costs can NEVER be covered by those using the system. You seriously want to spunk millions of pounds on a punitive system that is solely designed to make poor diddums' who are stuck in traffic queues feel better because now EVERYONE is floating away from the same shipwreck in a boat with no oars...
Licence cycling in London? We're more likely to be successful in having an intelligence and attitude test imposed before lunatics can sign up to internet forums.
What an utter mentalist...
Banning bicycling in London?
A brief snippet on the radio news this morning told me that last year 40 learner drivers were caught getting someone else to sit their test for them. And presumably the authorities aren't claiming to have caught anywhere near ALL of those cheating the system that way. So we must, therefore, be able to presume that there are quite a number of "qualified and licensed" motor vehicle drivers out there who have never passed a test, yet hold an officially issued document that permits them to drive.
Seriously. If the authorities cannot get their house in order to prevent these cheats getting driving licenses which permit them to get into vehicles which can easily become weapons in the wrong hands, what actual f
king hope is there of putting in place a properly administered and secure system for licensing "bicycle drivers"? And what real public desire is there for such a system? Half a dozen swivel-eyed whining babies on an internet motoring forum? Jog on. Explain to us, OP, and to "the people" (the electorate) just how much your draconian testing and licensing regime will cost the public purse? Because much like roads, "road tax", and driver licensing, the costs can NEVER be covered by those using the system. You seriously want to spunk millions of pounds on a punitive system that is solely designed to make poor diddums' who are stuck in traffic queues feel better because now EVERYONE is floating away from the same shipwreck in a boat with no oars...Licence cycling in London? We're more likely to be successful in having an intelligence and attitude test imposed before lunatics can sign up to internet forums.
What an utter mentalist...
mickk said:
I think everyone knows there's no workable answer to the problem. Cars will get scratched and cyclists will die.
Fact of life.
I'd be willing to wager a substantial sum that cars suffer more scratches at the hands of other cars' drivers and supermarket trolleys than they do at the hands of cyclists. By three or four orders of magnitude.Fact of life.
Tax is the reason
Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
It won't be long till there will be some kind of system that will mean hmgov will get paid by cycle users and abusers
Cycling in London is not compatible with safety until fewer cars compete for space
I'm all for a £25 per day congestion charge
And a £1000 road tax imposition on cars in London
Lower pollution is the way forward for London
And the end to single occupants in cars in an endless stream of traffic
Councils such as Lambeth, who tax cars off the road.
Ten years ago every street through Camberwell Dulwich Denmark Hill had cars parked at the side of the road everywhere
Lambeth cleared the lot
20mph zones kill driving in London at night
This is all what the future holds
So less of the swivel eyed dribbling lunatic on the internet quotes
On your bike.
Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
It won't be long till there will be some kind of system that will mean hmgov will get paid by cycle users and abusers
Cycling in London is not compatible with safety until fewer cars compete for space
I'm all for a £25 per day congestion charge
And a £1000 road tax imposition on cars in London
Lower pollution is the way forward for London
And the end to single occupants in cars in an endless stream of traffic
Councils such as Lambeth, who tax cars off the road.
Ten years ago every street through Camberwell Dulwich Denmark Hill had cars parked at the side of the road everywhere
Lambeth cleared the lot
20mph zones kill driving in London at night
This is all what the future holds
So less of the swivel eyed dribbling lunatic on the internet quotes
On your bike.
stuttgartmetal said:
Tax is the reason
Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
It won't be long till there will be some kind of system that will mean hmgov will get paid by cycle users and abusers
Cycling in London is not compatible with safety until fewer cars compete for space
I'm all for a £25 per day congestion charge
And a £1000 road tax imposition on cars in London
Lower pollution is the way forward for London
And the end to single occupants in cars in an endless stream of traffic
Councils such as Lambeth, who tax cars off the road.
Ten years ago every street through Camberwell Dulwich Denmark Hill had cars parked at the side of the road everywhere
Lambeth cleared the lot
20mph zones kill driving in London at night
This is all what the future holds
So less of the swivel eyed dribbling lunatic on the internet quotes
On your bike.
Cycling is the solution, not the problem. To be fair, you are coming across as a swivel eyed dribbling lunatic...Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
It won't be long till there will be some kind of system that will mean hmgov will get paid by cycle users and abusers
Cycling in London is not compatible with safety until fewer cars compete for space
I'm all for a £25 per day congestion charge
And a £1000 road tax imposition on cars in London
Lower pollution is the way forward for London
And the end to single occupants in cars in an endless stream of traffic
Councils such as Lambeth, who tax cars off the road.
Ten years ago every street through Camberwell Dulwich Denmark Hill had cars parked at the side of the road everywhere
Lambeth cleared the lot
20mph zones kill driving in London at night
This is all what the future holds
So less of the swivel eyed dribbling lunatic on the internet quotes
On your bike.
I was crossing the road after work tonight - green walk sign was still displayed, when 3 cyclists and 1 moped rider waited for people to get half way across and just continued through. I see this daily in London by cyclists and moped riders. You can't ban cycling because of a few idiots - however there should be a crackdown to stop this behaviour - on the spot fine or removal of cycle...
Kell said:
There's a great little film on Amazon Prime at the minute called, simply, Bicycle.
In it, there's a whole section on how in the 60s and 70s town planning deliberately excluded bikes from their plans and that's why it's such a struggle to change things retrospectively. Partly because many new roads were designed with only motoer vehicles in mind and partly, as a knock on effect, because everyone who grew up then now believes that roads are only for cars.
While in the Netherlands and Denmark, the opposite was happening and the decisions were made that made their countries much more bicycle friendly. In it, there's a whole section on how in the 60s and 70s town planning deliberately excluded bikes from their plans and that's why it's such a struggle to change things retrospectively. Partly because many new roads were designed with only motoer vehicles in mind and partly, as a knock on effect, because everyone who grew up then now believes that roads are only for cars.
stuttgartmetal said:
Tax is the reason
Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
And in what possible way does ownership of a bicycle affect any of that.Not road tax
Tax.
Thats the reason
Patrol, its nearly all tax
VAT
Everything paid for on cars produces VAT
Money
The people who pay the most for the roads are those who live in the nicest houses (council tax) and those who pay most tax.
Are you honestly saying that ownership of a bicycle makes a measurable or significant reduction in one's annual tax liability?
g7orge said:
I was crossing the road after work tonight - green walk sign was still displayed, when 3 cyclists and 1 moped rider waited for people to get half way across and just continued through. I see this daily in London by cyclists and moped riders. You can't ban cycling because of a few idiots - however there should be a crackdown to stop this behaviour - on the spot fine or removal of cycle...
did you count how many pedestrians crossed between bikes on the red man? This is clearly far more dangerous as most of them are twitfacing while doing it. Why aren't you calling for removal of their shoes?g7orge said:
I was crossing the road after work tonight - green walk sign was still displayed, when 3 cyclists and 1 moped rider waited for people to get half way across and just continued through. I see this daily in London by cyclists and moped riders. You can't ban cycling because of a few idiots - however there should be a crackdown to stop this behaviour - on the spot fine or removal of cycle...
I saw three cars run a red light last night, we need a crackdown on this sort of danger.The big difference is a cyclist places themselves in danger, a driver places other people in danger...
g7orge said:
I was crossing the road after work tonight - green walk sign was still displayed, when 3 cyclists and 1 moped rider waited for people to get half way across and just continued through. I see this daily in London by cyclists and moped riders. You can't ban cycling because of a few idiots - however there should be a crackdown to stop this behaviour - on the spot fine or removal of cycle...
I saw 2 cars do the same in London earlier this week. I didn't see the cars get crushed. Where's the crackdown on this sort of behaviour?swerni said:
battered said:
g7orge said:
I was crossing the road after work tonight - green walk sign was still displayed, when 3 cyclists and 1 moped rider waited for people to get half way across and just continued through. I see this daily in London by cyclists and moped riders. You can't ban cycling because of a few idiots - however there should be a crackdown to stop this behaviour - on the spot fine or removal of cycle...
I saw 2 cars do the same in London earlier this week. I didn't see the cars get crushed. Where's the crackdown on this sort of behaviour?Too big to filter safely with their massive (look at me ) panias and a liability to all road users.
I'd tax them through the nose or ban them city centres
Just a though
They certainly slow you down when you're cycling if you're unfortunate enough to encounter one...g7orge said:
I was crossing the road after work tonight - green walk sign was still displayed, when 3 cyclists and 1 moped rider waited for people to get half way across and just continued through. I see this daily in London by cyclists and moped riders. You can't ban cycling because of a few idiots - however there should be a crackdown to stop this behaviour - on the spot fine or removal of cycle...
I saw a bus and two black cabs go through a red light on Putney Bridge. 4 cars go through a red light on Upper Richmond Road. 1 Lorry go through a red light on Albert Bridge. 3 cars go through a red light on Vauxhall Bridge. 2 Buses go through separate red lights on Trafalgar Square. And then I stopped making a mental note. Not to mention all the late indications inc someone at Parsons Green who nearly took out people using the bike lane due to not bothering to tell people he was turning at all.That was all this morning on my commute from Surbiton to Fitzrovia, so do forgive me if I think what you've highlighted is exclusive to people on bikes. The above ALL far more potentially dangerous that bikes going through a clear ped crossing.
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