A "do it all" disc braked road bike
Discussion
jamiebae said:
Brakes is probably just setup, they should be able to lock up with ease. With the chainset remember it's BB30 so you can't just throw a Shimano one on so you're in for £150+ unless you can swap the rings out (which I guess you can easily enough).
Very good point, I'd thought of throwing a Tiagra crank on it. I'd have to buy FSA I guess.Never heard of these - Oreo Terra
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...
But it looks good on spec. Geometry looks a bit steep for off road though? There's a couple of retailers local to me so might have to have a look. Decent group and finishing kit and the frames look pretty striking.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&a...
But it looks good on spec. Geometry looks a bit steep for off road though? There's a couple of retailers local to me so might have to have a look. Decent group and finishing kit and the frames look pretty striking.
you talked about comfort and you mentioned you like steel but for the weight matter of the genesis
i would suggest a titanium bike is the material to go for. although i'm not aware on anything in your price range made from titanium, the cheapest i can find is this:
http://www.planetx.co.uk/c/q/bikes/cyclocross-bike...
It has the accolade of being the Road.cc bike of the year a couple of years ago. It's only a little outside budget and you could probably get it on 0% finance over 12 months, so it's virtually free as the repayments are irrelevantl with say a 20% deposit.
i would suggest a titanium bike is the material to go for. although i'm not aware on anything in your price range made from titanium, the cheapest i can find is this:
http://www.planetx.co.uk/c/q/bikes/cyclocross-bike...
It has the accolade of being the Road.cc bike of the year a couple of years ago. It's only a little outside budget and you could probably get it on 0% finance over 12 months, so it's virtually free as the repayments are irrelevantl with say a 20% deposit.
I had this problem last year:
Wanted a road bike to ride with friends on their Sunday routes, but I also wanted to be able to fit kids seat, rack for some light touring, possibly hit off road paths, unfinished roads etc.
I ended up with the Genesis Equilibrium 30, steel frame, hydraulic discs (105), 11 speed, so far it’s ticking all the boxes lighter than the Croix but not quite Carbon frame weight.
Downsides: The wheels have possibly the worst bearings I’ve ever used (I might have got unlucky) but I’m planning some new wheels asap, I've not had a non serviceable freehub since Shimano LX days in the 90's!
Wanted a road bike to ride with friends on their Sunday routes, but I also wanted to be able to fit kids seat, rack for some light touring, possibly hit off road paths, unfinished roads etc.
I ended up with the Genesis Equilibrium 30, steel frame, hydraulic discs (105), 11 speed, so far it’s ticking all the boxes lighter than the Croix but not quite Carbon frame weight.
Downsides: The wheels have possibly the worst bearings I’ve ever used (I might have got unlucky) but I’m planning some new wheels asap, I've not had a non serviceable freehub since Shimano LX days in the 90's!
son of a vette said:
I had this problem last year:
Wanted a road bike to ride with friends on their Sunday routes, but I also wanted to be able to fit kids seat, rack for some light touring, possibly hit off road paths, unfinished roads etc.
I ended up with the Genesis Equilibrium 30, steel frame, hydraulic discs (105), 11 speed, so far it’s ticking all the boxes lighter than the Croix but not quite Carbon frame weight.
Downsides: The wheels have possibly the worst bearings I’ve ever used (I might have got unlucky) but I’m planning some new wheels asap, I've not had a non serviceable freehub since Shimano LX days in the 90's!
My do-it-all bike is a Genesis too - a Day One with an Alfine 8 speed hub. It's brutally heavy but rolls along fine and a mate managed to drag it over a few Alps without too much trouble (albeit a little slowly). Steel just seems to work for this type of bike and you don't really notice the weight when you're rolling.Wanted a road bike to ride with friends on their Sunday routes, but I also wanted to be able to fit kids seat, rack for some light touring, possibly hit off road paths, unfinished roads etc.
I ended up with the Genesis Equilibrium 30, steel frame, hydraulic discs (105), 11 speed, so far it’s ticking all the boxes lighter than the Croix but not quite Carbon frame weight.
Downsides: The wheels have possibly the worst bearings I’ve ever used (I might have got unlucky) but I’m planning some new wheels asap, I've not had a non serviceable freehub since Shimano LX days in the 90's!
Yes the Genesis CDF shouts to me. The Orro looks nice but not sure if it's a bit too racey and is opposite end of the spectrum. Should accept 35c tyres also.
Off to Annecy this summer, will be in the Lakes for about a week and also may get to Scotland. Spare weekends usually around the Yorkshire Dales. All of those are a bit or a lot lumpy. I really want to buy the steel option but I really don't want to be complaining about it being terrible up the hills. I'm trying to do enough so that the engine is in good order!
Off to Annecy this summer, will be in the Lakes for about a week and also may get to Scotland. Spare weekends usually around the Yorkshire Dales. All of those are a bit or a lot lumpy. I really want to buy the steel option but I really don't want to be complaining about it being terrible up the hills. I'm trying to do enough so that the engine is in good order!
Chicken Chaser said:
Yes the Genesis CDF shouts to me. The Orro looks nice but not sure if it's a bit too racey and is opposite end of the spectrum. Should accept 35c tyres also.
Off to Annecy this summer, will be in the Lakes for about a week and also may get to Scotland. Spare weekends usually around the Yorkshire Dales. All of those are a bit or a lot lumpy. I really want to buy the steel option but I really don't want to be complaining about it being terrible up the hills. I'm trying to do enough so that the engine is in good order!
Get the gearing right and you'll be fine, CDF with a compact (or even Tiagra triple) and a 32 or 36T cassette should get you over most stuff Off to Annecy this summer, will be in the Lakes for about a week and also may get to Scotland. Spare weekends usually around the Yorkshire Dales. All of those are a bit or a lot lumpy. I really want to buy the steel option but I really don't want to be complaining about it being terrible up the hills. I'm trying to do enough so that the engine is in good order!
Not sure of the size you need, but what about something like this?
https://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m89b185s1041p24656/Ex...
https://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m89b185s1041p24656/Ex...
wobert said:
Not sure of the size you need, but what about something like this?
https://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m89b185s1041p24656/Ex...
Datum looks awesome, but its Carbon, and I'm looking to pull a child trailer with it. Additionally, i've always been a bit unsure about carbon off-road. https://www.ukbikesdepot.com/m89b185s1041p24656/Ex...
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Going to see the Orro Terra over the next couple of days. I've been offered a Croix de fer 30 2017 model at £1200 but its out of stock until the start of April. Can still get 2016 for £999.
dai1983 said:
Is there genuinely any tyres out there that would roll and last on the road but also give enough grip and absorbtion around the woods?
Interested in this too, I think i'd get 2 pairs - 28c slicks for the road and only the road and then something 32c-35c with a fairly small pattern in centre with some bigger edges to it. I'm also undecided on what to do about pedals! I dont wear SPD anymore, only SPD-SL so that would be interesting off-road! Might have to try SPD again with a super stiff sole.
Chicken Chaser said:
Datum looks awesome, but its Carbon, and I'm looking to pull a child trailer with it. Additionally, i've always been a bit unsure about carbon off-road.
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Going to see the Orro Terra over the next couple of days. I've been offered a Croix de fer 30 2017 model at £1200 but its out of stock until the start of April. Can still get 2016 for £999.
Sorry, didn't see the trailer requirement in your OP.1
Going to see the Orro Terra over the next couple of days. I've been offered a Croix de fer 30 2017 model at £1200 but its out of stock until the start of April. Can still get 2016 for £999.
I have a work colleague with a CdeF, he speaks highly of it, despite having a bike for everyday of the week!
wobert said:
Sorry, didn't see the trailer requirement in your OP.
I have a work colleague with a CdeF, he speaks highly of it, despite having a bike for everyday of the week!
No problem, I didnt list it! In all honesty, this year might be the last year. Shes flying around on a balance bike right now and hopefully in 18 months, she'll be fully pedalled up. I think would probably take it (how many stress Carbon bikes on Turbos?) but it might be risking it. I have a work colleague with a CdeF, he speaks highly of it, despite having a bike for everyday of the week!
Edited by Chicken Chaser on Thursday 12th April 19:41
Chicken Chaser said:
No problem, I didnt list it! In all honesty, this year might be the last year. Shes flying around on a balance bike right now and hopefully in 18 months, she'll be fully pedalled up. I think a Datum would probably take it (how many stress Carbon bikes on Turbos?) but it might be risking it.
There used to be a blog on the Genesis website that detailed the development of the Datum....this might inspire some confidencehttp://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/blog/28/06/15/un-gra...
I've done something very similar in the past - my holiday bike requirements were a bike to cruise around on with the family, and something a little racier for fast training rides on my own.
I settled on a basic aluminium CX bike with mini-V brakes and took two (identical) wheelsets with me, one with 622/42 for pootling and trail stuff, the other with 622/28 faster rubber.
Gearing was standard compact 50/34 with a 10-speed 12/32 cassette, so plenty of range.
It worked beautifully. Having the two wheelsets meant I had in effect 2 bikes in one, and swapping them in and out was a complete doddle. The bike came in at around 9kg with the lighter rubber. Mini-V brakes are easy to set up and provide plenty of stopping power. Cyclocross interrupter brakes mean you can pootle along on the handlebar tops wth the family and still modulate speed when the kid swerves into your path. I love 'em.
I stuck a lightweight Tubus Fly rear rack on as well and used panniers for our day trips as a family. With the road wheelset on you didn't know it was there.
As the world and his wife move to disc braked road and CX bikes, there are some serious bargains to be had on second-hand rim-braked rigs. I built mine up from a frameset but I suppose I had about €500 in it by the end, so well under budget, and that's including the two (Oval Concepts) wheelsets.
I settled on a basic aluminium CX bike with mini-V brakes and took two (identical) wheelsets with me, one with 622/42 for pootling and trail stuff, the other with 622/28 faster rubber.
Gearing was standard compact 50/34 with a 10-speed 12/32 cassette, so plenty of range.
It worked beautifully. Having the two wheelsets meant I had in effect 2 bikes in one, and swapping them in and out was a complete doddle. The bike came in at around 9kg with the lighter rubber. Mini-V brakes are easy to set up and provide plenty of stopping power. Cyclocross interrupter brakes mean you can pootle along on the handlebar tops wth the family and still modulate speed when the kid swerves into your path. I love 'em.
I stuck a lightweight Tubus Fly rear rack on as well and used panniers for our day trips as a family. With the road wheelset on you didn't know it was there.
As the world and his wife move to disc braked road and CX bikes, there are some serious bargains to be had on second-hand rim-braked rigs. I built mine up from a frameset but I suppose I had about €500 in it by the end, so well under budget, and that's including the two (Oval Concepts) wheelsets.
Edited by Barchettaman on Tuesday 24th January 09:15
dai1983 said:
Is there genuinely any tyres out there that would roll and last on the road but also give enough grip and absorbtion around the woods?
Don't worry about it! 700 x 23c slicks work just fine off road...https://www.strava.com/activities/325476341/
...this was done on 23c Continental GP 4 Seasons.
ETA: This was another attempt on the same bike/tyres. I wrecked a ropey old set of second-hand plastic mudguards doing it, but aside from that it was OK... https://www.strava.com/activities/327611959/segmen... ...It's a slow time on the 'Summer Monkey' lap, but it involved a few wrong turns, and my moving time wasn't the slowest attempt ever.
Give your usual tyres a chance on gentler off-road bits. It takes a bit of adjustment in riding style, learning to 'float' the bike a bit, taking your weight off it on rougher sections, and steering a more carefully selected course. But I've done some crazy things on an old steel road bike. Right up to single track segments that feature regularly in winter MTB enduro races. I honestly don't believe that forest tracks, fire roads and tow-paths, etc, should hold any fear for a properly maintained road bike, even in muddier conditions (but use mudguards!) Up until now it's all been on 23c tyres for me, too. I've got a set of 25c tyres to fit to my 'best' road bike, and I'd probably go up to 28/31/33c rubber on my steel framed bike, provided they'd fit under the mudguards, given what I've learned from previous off-road excursions. Just don't attempt a gravel road KOM on thin slicks at high pressure though. A double blow-out was the result of that particular piece of personal stupidity when I pinch-flatted front and rear on a large stone with a sharp edge that I didn't spot until too late.
Edited by yellowjack on Tuesday 24th January 10:25
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