New Canyon Endurace - love it but....
Discussion
hadenough! said:
In still not convinced a small frame is right for someone who's 5 ft 9
I've just bought a Canyon, just over 6ft and I've gone with medium, they are not quite sized like other bikes, though I've gone with the full blown race bike so I suppose it might well just be longer and lower than this one OP hasThe bike just looks way too short for you setup like that, caused by the combination of a saddle fairly far forward and a short stem. 52.5cm from Saddle tip to bars seems pretty short to me, my girlfriend is only 5ft 1 and both her bikes are 51.5cm.
Looking at the geometry the bike should fit someone your size fine with a 54.5cm top tube, its the almost exactly the same size as my race bike and I'm 5ft 11.
If you are not confident making changes to your position then I suggest a bike fit by 1 of the main fitters that always seem to be recommended by decent racing cyclists and they seem to be The Bike Whisperer or Adrian Timmis
Looking at the geometry the bike should fit someone your size fine with a 54.5cm top tube, its the almost exactly the same size as my race bike and I'm 5ft 11.
If you are not confident making changes to your position then I suggest a bike fit by 1 of the main fitters that always seem to be recommended by decent racing cyclists and they seem to be The Bike Whisperer or Adrian Timmis
okgo said:
You look like you're about to pull a wheelie in that still above, something isn't right, just hard to put a finger on it. I so think saddle could well be too low still.
I don't know where he paused that but don't forget I was moving about up and down on the bike in that video in numerous ways e.t.c.Marcellus said:
guys he's go the frame it's teh size it is so let's move on from that one!
Dizz, are you a toe pointer, flat footer or heal dropper when you really ride on the open road?
Can make 2" difference to saddle height!
As far as I know, a toe pointer although I make efforts to keep it as flat as I can.Dizz, are you a toe pointer, flat footer or heal dropper when you really ride on the open road?
Can make 2" difference to saddle height!
okgo said:
I've just bought a Canyon, just over 6ft and I've gone with medium, they are not quite sized like other bikes, though I've gone with the full blown race bike so I suppose it might well just be longer and lower than this one OP has
At last, maybe a voice of reason re the size issue. fromage said:
The bike just looks way too short for you setup like that, caused by the combination of a saddle fairly far forward and a short stem. 52.5cm from Saddle tip to bars seems pretty short to me, my girlfriend is only 5ft 1 and both her bikes are 51.5cm.
Looking at the geometry the bike should fit someone your size fine with a 54.5cm top tube, its the almost exactly the same size as my race bike and I'm 5ft 11.
If you are not confident making changes to your position then I suggest a bike fit by 1 of the main fitters that always seem to be recommended by decent racing cyclists and they seem to be The Bike Whisperer or Adrian Timmis
I do take all these comments on board and as such will be extending myself bit by bit on the bike from now on. Although, some interesting updates.Looking at the geometry the bike should fit someone your size fine with a 54.5cm top tube, its the almost exactly the same size as my race bike and I'm 5ft 11.
If you are not confident making changes to your position then I suggest a bike fit by 1 of the main fitters that always seem to be recommended by decent racing cyclists and they seem to be The Bike Whisperer or Adrian Timmis
Having done the last few tweaks a few days ago and ridden a few times since, I have no aches or pains and feel almost as at home as I did on the previous bike. I maintain the bike feels heavier and harder work though which leads me nicely onto my next point.
I'm lucky to have an old riding friend who lives in he next road to me. He is a crit racer, bike fanatic and has worked for Specialized for years at their HQ in Kingston. Long story short he came round to look at my summer bike as he is going to service it for me, but we looked at the Canyon briefly whilst he was here. He was astonished upon lifting it at how heavy it felt as a carbon bike and we had a discussion. We were both very much on the same page - it is Carbon but the lowest spec carbon frame Canyon sells. The wheels are entry level, the discs although hydraulic are going to be heavy, the pedals are Shimano's cheapest, and the front hub apparently is akin to a mountain bike hub - it is huge and looks like two sprockets. He also tells me that current 105 shifters have re-enforced aluminium plating whereas the higher specs are plastic - so all in all there is a weight penalty which is exactly how it "feels" to me to ride. I am sure with all this as well as my two bottle cages full (one full of tubes, canisters and tools) as well as my rucksack, maybe my expectations of a carbon bike were to high. And I think that's it - because I was buying carbon I expected the lightweight aero machine I currently have in the De Rosa. All joking aside, maybe it highlights the quality of frame I have on the De Rosa, which I did have weighed last year at 7.5kg with pedals. That bike also has a more aero frame, a longer reach, 50mm wheels and an aero seatpost and rarely if ever gets ridden with a backpack. Maybe my assumption that carbon = carbon was wrong.
It makes sense to me. I can deal with the extra weight and welcome it on a training bike. I guess the conclusion is that I am surprised that a 5 year old aluminium rimmed brake bike may have been slightly lighter than what I thought was going to a feather.
Dizeee said:
Marcellus said:
guys he's go the frame it's teh size it is so let's move on from that one!
Dizz, are you a toe pointer, flat footer or heal dropper when you really ride on the open road?
Can make 2" difference to saddle height!
As far as I know, a toe pointer although I make efforts to keep it as flat as I can.Dizz, are you a toe pointer, flat footer or heal dropper when you really ride on the open road?
Can make 2" difference to saddle height!
Dizeee said:
I do take all these comments on board and as such will be extending myself bit by bit on the bike from now on. Although, some interesting updates.
Having done the last few tweaks a few days ago and ridden a few times since, I have no aches or pains and feel almost as at home as I did on the previous bike. I maintain the bike feels heavier and harder work though which leads me nicely onto my next point.
I'm lucky to have an old riding friend who lives in he next road to me. He is a crit racer, bike fanatic and has worked for Specialized for years at their HQ in Kingston. Long story short he came round to look at my summer bike as he is going to service it for me, but we looked at the Canyon briefly whilst he was here. He was astonished upon lifting it at how heavy it felt as a carbon bike and we had a discussion. We were both very much on the same page - it is Carbon but the lowest spec carbon frame Canyon sells. The wheels are entry level, the discs although hydraulic are going to be heavy, the pedals are Shimano's cheapest, and the front hub apparently is akin to a mountain bike hub - it is huge and looks like two sprockets. He also tells me that current 105 shifters have re-enforced aluminium plating whereas the higher specs are plastic - so all in all there is a weight penalty which is exactly how it "feels" to me to ride. I am sure with all this as well as my two bottle cages full (one full of tubes, canisters and tools) as well as my rucksack, maybe my expectations of a carbon bike were to high. And I think that's it - because I was buying carbon I expected the lightweight aero machine I currently have in the De Rosa. All joking aside, maybe it highlights the quality of frame I have on the De Rosa, which I did have weighed last year at 7.5kg with pedals. That bike also has a more aero frame, a longer reach, 50mm wheels and an aero seatpost and rarely if ever gets ridden with a backpack. Maybe my assumption that carbon = carbon was wrong.
It makes sense to me. I can deal with the extra weight and welcome it on a training bike. I guess the conclusion is that I am surprised that a 5 year old aluminium rimmed brake bike may have been slightly lighter than what I thought was going to a feather.
Having done the last few tweaks a few days ago and ridden a few times since, I have no aches or pains and feel almost as at home as I did on the previous bike. I maintain the bike feels heavier and harder work though which leads me nicely onto my next point.
I'm lucky to have an old riding friend who lives in he next road to me. He is a crit racer, bike fanatic and has worked for Specialized for years at their HQ in Kingston. Long story short he came round to look at my summer bike as he is going to service it for me, but we looked at the Canyon briefly whilst he was here. He was astonished upon lifting it at how heavy it felt as a carbon bike and we had a discussion. We were both very much on the same page - it is Carbon but the lowest spec carbon frame Canyon sells. The wheels are entry level, the discs although hydraulic are going to be heavy, the pedals are Shimano's cheapest, and the front hub apparently is akin to a mountain bike hub - it is huge and looks like two sprockets. He also tells me that current 105 shifters have re-enforced aluminium plating whereas the higher specs are plastic - so all in all there is a weight penalty which is exactly how it "feels" to me to ride. I am sure with all this as well as my two bottle cages full (one full of tubes, canisters and tools) as well as my rucksack, maybe my expectations of a carbon bike were to high. And I think that's it - because I was buying carbon I expected the lightweight aero machine I currently have in the De Rosa. All joking aside, maybe it highlights the quality of frame I have on the De Rosa, which I did have weighed last year at 7.5kg with pedals. That bike also has a more aero frame, a longer reach, 50mm wheels and an aero seatpost and rarely if ever gets ridden with a backpack. Maybe my assumption that carbon = carbon was wrong.
It makes sense to me. I can deal with the extra weight and welcome it on a training bike. I guess the conclusion is that I am surprised that a 5 year old aluminium rimmed brake bike may have been slightly lighter than what I thought was going to a feather.
Excellent, you and this other bloke have excelled yourselves here.
"crit racer, bike fanatic" - f
king hell, I'm in tears, where do you get this st?Let me just tell you right now, the weight of the bike is making zero difference. You are comparing riding one with a rucksack to riding another without? Honestly mate, you really need to have a word with yourself.
Also, Canyon publish the weights of ALL their bikes on their website.
Edited by okgo on Saturday 25th March 21:10
okgo said:
Dizeee said:
I do take all these comments on board and as such will be extending myself bit by bit on the bike from now on. Although, some interesting updates.
Having done the last few tweaks a few days ago and ridden a few times since, I have no aches or pains and feel almost as at home as I did on the previous bike. I maintain the bike feels heavier and harder work though which leads me nicely onto my next point.
I'm lucky to have an old riding friend who lives in he next road to me. He is a crit racer, bike fanatic and has worked for Specialized for years at their HQ in Kingston. Long story short he came round to look at my summer bike as he is going to service it for me, but we looked at the Canyon briefly whilst he was here. He was astonished upon lifting it at how heavy it felt as a carbon bike and we had a discussion. We were both very much on the same page - it is Carbon but the lowest spec carbon frame Canyon sells. The wheels are entry level, the discs although hydraulic are going to be heavy, the pedals are Shimano's cheapest, and the front hub apparently is akin to a mountain bike hub - it is huge and looks like two sprockets. He also tells me that current 105 shifters have re-enforced aluminium plating whereas the higher specs are plastic - so all in all there is a weight penalty which is exactly how it "feels" to me to ride. I am sure with all this as well as my two bottle cages full (one full of tubes, canisters and tools) as well as my rucksack, maybe my expectations of a carbon bike were to high. And I think that's it - because I was buying carbon I expected the lightweight aero machine I currently have in the De Rosa. All joking aside, maybe it highlights the quality of frame I have on the De Rosa, which I did have weighed last year at 7.5kg with pedals. That bike also has a more aero frame, a longer reach, 50mm wheels and an aero seatpost and rarely if ever gets ridden with a backpack. Maybe my assumption that carbon = carbon was wrong.
It makes sense to me. I can deal with the extra weight and welcome it on a training bike. I guess the conclusion is that I am surprised that a 5 year old aluminium rimmed brake bike may have been slightly lighter than what I thought was going to a feather.
Having done the last few tweaks a few days ago and ridden a few times since, I have no aches or pains and feel almost as at home as I did on the previous bike. I maintain the bike feels heavier and harder work though which leads me nicely onto my next point.
I'm lucky to have an old riding friend who lives in he next road to me. He is a crit racer, bike fanatic and has worked for Specialized for years at their HQ in Kingston. Long story short he came round to look at my summer bike as he is going to service it for me, but we looked at the Canyon briefly whilst he was here. He was astonished upon lifting it at how heavy it felt as a carbon bike and we had a discussion. We were both very much on the same page - it is Carbon but the lowest spec carbon frame Canyon sells. The wheels are entry level, the discs although hydraulic are going to be heavy, the pedals are Shimano's cheapest, and the front hub apparently is akin to a mountain bike hub - it is huge and looks like two sprockets. He also tells me that current 105 shifters have re-enforced aluminium plating whereas the higher specs are plastic - so all in all there is a weight penalty which is exactly how it "feels" to me to ride. I am sure with all this as well as my two bottle cages full (one full of tubes, canisters and tools) as well as my rucksack, maybe my expectations of a carbon bike were to high. And I think that's it - because I was buying carbon I expected the lightweight aero machine I currently have in the De Rosa. All joking aside, maybe it highlights the quality of frame I have on the De Rosa, which I did have weighed last year at 7.5kg with pedals. That bike also has a more aero frame, a longer reach, 50mm wheels and an aero seatpost and rarely if ever gets ridden with a backpack. Maybe my assumption that carbon = carbon was wrong.
It makes sense to me. I can deal with the extra weight and welcome it on a training bike. I guess the conclusion is that I am surprised that a 5 year old aluminium rimmed brake bike may have been slightly lighter than what I thought was going to a feather.
Excellent, you and this other bloke have excelled yourselves here.
"crit racer, bike fanatic" - f
king hell, I'm in tears, where do you get this st?Let me just tell you right now, the weight of the bike is making zero difference.
Dizeee said:
fromage said:
The bike just looks way too short for you setup like that, caused by the combination of a saddle fairly far forward and a short stem. 52.5cm from Saddle tip to bars seems pretty short to me, my girlfriend is only 5ft 1 and both her bikes are 51.5cm.
Looking at the geometry the bike should fit someone your size fine with a 54.5cm top tube, its the almost exactly the same size as my race bike and I'm 5ft 11.
If you are not confident making changes to your position then I suggest a bike fit by 1 of the main fitters that always seem to be recommended by decent racing cyclists and they seem to be The Bike Whisperer or Adrian Timmis
I do take all these comments on board and as such will be extending myself bit by bit on the bike from now on. Although, some interesting updates.Looking at the geometry the bike should fit someone your size fine with a 54.5cm top tube, its the almost exactly the same size as my race bike and I'm 5ft 11.
If you are not confident making changes to your position then I suggest a bike fit by 1 of the main fitters that always seem to be recommended by decent racing cyclists and they seem to be The Bike Whisperer or Adrian Timmis
Having done the last few tweaks a few days ago and ridden a few times since, I have no aches or pains and feel almost as at home as I did on the previous bike. I maintain the bike feels heavier and harder work though which leads me nicely onto my next point.
I'm lucky to have an old riding friend who lives in he next road to me. He is a crit racer, bike fanatic and has worked for Specialized for years at their HQ in Kingston. Long story short he came round to look at my summer bike as he is going to service it for me, but we looked at the Canyon briefly whilst he was here. He was astonished upon lifting it at how heavy it felt as a carbon bike and we had a discussion. We were both very much on the same page - it is Carbon but the lowest spec carbon frame Canyon sells. The wheels are entry level, the discs although hydraulic are going to be heavy, the pedals are Shimano's cheapest, and the front hub apparently is akin to a mountain bike hub - it is huge and looks like two sprockets. He also tells me that current 105 shifters have re-enforced aluminium plating whereas the higher specs are plastic - so all in all there is a weight penalty which is exactly how it "feels" to me to ride. I am sure with all this as well as my two bottle cages full (one full of tubes, canisters and tools) as well as my rucksack, maybe my expectations of a carbon bike were to high. And I think that's it - because I was buying carbon I expected the lightweight aero machine I currently have in the De Rosa. All joking aside, maybe it highlights the quality of frame I have on the De Rosa, which I did have weighed last year at 7.5kg with pedals. That bike also has a more aero frame, a longer reach, 50mm wheels and an aero seatpost and rarely if ever gets ridden with a backpack. Maybe my assumption that carbon = carbon was wrong.
It makes sense to me. I can deal with the extra weight and welcome it on a training bike. I guess the conclusion is that I am surprised that a 5 year old aluminium rimmed brake bike may have been slightly lighter than what I thought was going to a feather.
The Endurace is marketed as a model suitable for long mileages and specifically has a stack/reach of <1.55
It's not designed to be racy, or aero, which is precisely why it appeals to me....
The 8.0 is listed as having a weight of 8.5kg and the 9.0 is 7.7 kg.
Both these weights seem to be comparable to the Endurace's competition.
Honestly, you're riding with a backpack???
My "on bike" tools fit into a single seat pack and my pump mounts on the bottle cage, it seems you are carrying way too much kit....
As someone else suggested, go and get a proper fit and get them to set the bike up to those dimensions.
Pausing the video with your crank side foot forward and horizontal it's clear to see that your saddle fore/aft is wrong.
Your knee is behind the centre line of your pedal axle.
You really need to go back to some basics, get an initial set up that confirms to the standard and make minor tweaks from that.
Your knee is behind the centre line of your pedal axle.
You really need to go back to some basics, get an initial set up that confirms to the standard and make minor tweaks from that.
okgo said:
hadenough! said:
In still not convinced a small frame is right for someone who's 5 ft 9
I've just bought a Canyon, just over 6ft and I've gone with medium, they are not quite sized like other bikes, though I've gone with the full blown race bike so I suppose it might well just be longer and lower than this one OP hasEdited by scherzkeks on Saturday 25th March 23:24
Well that's that problem solved. Was out this morning on a club ride explaining about it all to a fellow rider when he offered to buy it off me. He has just left my house with the bike and now I have a wad of cash... all be it slightly less than my initial outlay. Look out for a what bike thread soon!
Dizeee said:
Well that's that problem solved. Was out this morning on a club ride explaining about it all to a fellow rider when he offered to buy it off me. He has just left my house with the bike and now I have a wad of cash... all be it slightly less than my initial outlay. Look out for a what bike thread soon!
I must admit, that's the only thing that puts me off buying the Canyon. No opportunity to try one out, which when you are shelling the best part of £2k out is not great - your experience kinda backs that up.This is pushing me towards the Giant Defy Advanced, as I can try one for size, plus Pedalon Podium points to boot!
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