New Canyon Endurace - love it but....

[egor110]

Isn't there some guy around Reading that measures you up and then advises on the best bike for your body size?

[smn159]

egor110 said:

Isn't there some guy around Reading that measures you up and then advises on the best bike for your body size?

The Bike Whisperer

Highly recommended.

[TheFungle]

FWIW Dizzmeister my good bike is relatively similar to yours - a Wilier Gran Turismo specced with Campag, decent wheels and tyres and a perfect fit.

I replaced my old 'generic' Alu winter frame with a Genesis Equilibrium (steel) with full 105, discs and clearance for wide tyres.

I've set the bike up nigh on identical to the Wilier and I really enjoy riding it, for sure it lacks the urgency of the Wilier but knocking the pace off just a bit gives it a lovely ride, if somewhat draggy when the road goes up even a little bit.

I piad 870 down from 1700 so a bit of a bargain

[outnumbered]

wobert said:

As I mentioned yesterday, the one thing that I can draw from your experience is not to buy a bike I cannot sit on.

As a relative newcomer to road biking (2014 but MTB since 1992), your experience has swayed me to buy the "alternative" I have under consideration as I can view it in a shop and sit on it prior to purchase.

At nearly £2k I cannot afford not to....

There is a lot to be said for this approach. If you go to a decent shop, you should at least get a basic fitting session thrown into the purchase, and they'll swap components (e.g. saddle, stem, seatpost) to adapt a stock bike to your fit/preference. Mail order is fine if you really know exactly what you need in advance.

[anonymous-user]

Canyon owners are pretty cool though, they know it's a risky purchase so if you ever see one about, the owner will probably let you try it for size if you explain your considering one. You obviously won't be taking spacers out etc but rarely do shops let the average walk in punter do that either.

[okgo]

As per before, its only risky if you have no concept of distance in mm.

And not sure I'll be offering my Aeroad out for test rides tbh.

[wobert]

outnumbered said:

There is a lot to be said for this approach. If you go to a decent shop, you should at least get a basic fitting session thrown into the purchase, and they'll swap components (e.g. saddle, stem, seatpost) to adapt a stock bike to your fit/preference. Mail order is fine if you really know exactly what you need in advance.

I visited my chosen outlet today as I happened to be close by on a work visit.

Shop was busy and my time was limited.

Had a sit on a bike and decided that the Canyon appeals more.

Noting Jamiebae's comments above it looks like I'll have to stump the extra £300 for the 9.0 with bonus of some better wheels and Ultegra, so not all bad.... :-)

[Crippo]

I don't usually come on Pedal Powered but reading some of this topic, I think this is a classic case of buying in the pursuit of a deal often ends badly. Not being able to sit on, stroke, pick up or flick the tube, caress the saddle or feel the bar tape of your prospective purchase is a bit like dating a girl online based only on her vital statistics....which are probably lies..... and she probably smells...and maybe has a wart or two.

[outnumbered]

wobert said:

Had a sit on a bike and decided that the Canyon appeals more.

Nothing wrong with Canyons, I have one too, but my view is still that you're better off buying a first road bike with the advice and help of a good shop. Sure you can swap components afterwards, but that always costs more, and it's more painful with Canyons because of the non-standard size stems.

You don't want to end up like this (OK, these are a teeny bit extreme, but it's very easy to end up with a compromised position because you've bought the wrong size bike, or stem/seatpost or bar width are wrong).

[wobert]

outnumbered said:

wobert said:

Had a sit on a bike and decided that the Canyon appeals more.

Nothing wrong with Canyons, I have one too, but my view is still that you're better off buying a first road bike with the advice and help of a good shop. Sure you can swap components afterwards, but that always costs more, and it's more painful with Canyons because of the non-standard size stems.

You don't want to end up like this (OK, these are a teeny bit extreme, but it's very easy to end up with a compromised position because you've bought the wrong size bike, or stem/seatpost or bar width are wrong).

Just to clarify, it would be my second road bike.

I've been through the "tweaking" process with my current bike and after some small adjustments have managed to get a comfortable position sorted.

Next step is to measure and record and use this as the basis for sizing the next one...

[outnumbered]

Ah, OK. I'd somehow gained the impression it would be your first road bike.

My remaining Canyon advice then is: Beware of ordering anything that isn't actually in stock !

[AyBee]

scherzkeks said:

okgo said:

hadenough! said:

In still not convinced a small frame is right for someone who's 5 ft 9

I've just bought a Canyon, just over 6ft and I've gone with medium, they are not quite sized like other bikes, though I've gone with the full blown race bike so I suppose it might well just be longer and lower than this one OP has

They are sized just like any bike using standard stage race geo. An M has a 56 TT, just like nearly every classic 58cm frame designed for someone who is about 6 ft.

They're not. Canyon are at the long end of 'race' geometry.

[wobert]

outnumbered said:

Ah, OK. I'd somehow gained the impression it would be your first road bike.

My remaining Canyon advice then is: Beware of ordering anything that isn't actually in stock !

Nope, I went through 4000 miles on this at the weekend....



Just need to get my measuring stick out...

Oh, and on your last point that's not good to hear, current lead time is 4-5 weeks for the one I'd like...

[outnumbered]

Eg: http://road.cc/content/news/174360-canyon-responds...

That was last year so things may have improved...

[smn159]

outnumbered said:

Eg: http://road.cc/content/news/174360-canyon-responds...

That was last year so things may have improved...

Lead time on mine, ordered in Feb, was 4-6 weeks and it turned up within a week...

[okgo]

smn159 said:

Lead time on mine, ordered in Feb, was 4-6 weeks and it turned up within a week...

How did that differ from communication?

I bought mine about this time last week, and it says dispatch between 10th and 14th of April, it was an in-stock item...

[Dizeee]

If its in stock it will be with you within 14 days. They just need to swap the brake sides over for the UK and then they will QA and ship. Once my money was sent the bike was delivered in around 12 days.

[scherzkeks]

AyBee said:

scherzkeks said:

okgo said:

hadenough! said:

In still not convinced a small frame is right for someone who's 5 ft 9

I've just bought a Canyon, just over 6ft and I've gone with medium, they are not quite sized like other bikes, though I've gone with the full blown race bike so I suppose it might well just be longer and lower than this one OP has

They are sized just like any bike using standard stage race geo. An M has a 56 TT, just like nearly every classic 58cm frame designed for someone who is about 6 ft.

They're not. Canyon are at the long end of 'race' geometry.

Compare to the original CONI guidelines in 1 cm increments. They are standard. The only issue is that they use broader-spectrum t-shirt sizing because they are not a proper framebuilder.

Barring any physical issues, all Dizee needs to do is take a proper inseam measure, compare to the standard and order his bike, factoring in that he may want to size down/up based on upper/lower body proportions.

If the bike were actually being used to race, sizing down makes sense in nearly all cases, due to modern hood placement on the bar. Get a saddle that fits your ass and install properly and off you go.

It really is that simple.

Edited by scherzkeks on Thursday 30th March 13:40

[smn159]

okgo said:

smn159 said:

Lead time on mine, ordered in Feb, was 4-6 weeks and it turned up within a week...

How did that differ from communication?

I bought mine about this time last week, and it says dispatch between 10th and 14th of April, it was an in-stock item...

They initially quoted a date in April I think then a few days later I had another mail to say the bike had been shipped, then two days after that it arrived

[anonymous-user]

scherzkeks said:

AyBee said:

scherzkeks said:

okgo said:

hadenough! said:

In still not convinced a small frame is right for someone who's 5 ft 9

I've just bought a Canyon, just over 6ft and I've gone with medium, they are not quite sized like other bikes, though I've gone with the full blown race bike so I suppose it might well just be longer and lower than this one OP has

They are sized just like any bike using standard stage race geo. An M has a 56 TT, just like nearly every classic 58cm frame designed for someone who is about 6 ft.

They're not. Canyon are at the long end of 'race' geometry.

Compare to the original CONI guidelines in 1 cm increments. They are standard. The only issue is that they use broader-spectrum t-shirt sizing because they are not a proper framebuilder.

Barring any physical issues, all Dizee needs to do is take a proper inseam measure, compare to the standard and order his bike, factoring in that he may want to size down/up based on upper/lower body proportions.

If the bike were actually being used to race, sizing down makes sense in nearly all cases, due to modern hood placement on the bar. Get a saddle that fits your ass and install properly and off you go.

It really is that simple.

Edited by scherzkeks on Thursday 30th March 13:40

I assume by t shirt sizing you mean that the frame dimensions go up by the same increments throughout the range, eg Seat tube, top tube, head tube length etc from XS to S to M to L is the same percentage, which would be fine, but they don't.... I assume you're capable of using a calculator...