New Canyon Endurace - love it but....
Discussion
hadenough! said:
The bikes look too small to me, looks like you're trying to get them to fit as you would with a mountain bike.
I spent quite a lot of time researching the size and fit before ordering. I am 5 foot 9 and seem to be shrinking with age. The measurement on their site put me in between XS and S. I also have a friend who is similar size to me, and has a S. I therefore chose small, as the top tube length was slightly less than my Bianchi which is slightly too big for me at 55cm.I can certainly say the frame doesn't feel too small, in fact it feels just right. The wheel base seems a bit shorter than I am used to. And in that video, the seat is pulled right forward and the handlebars pulled up. I am currently in the process of elongating those slightly.
I can flatten my back more even with it like it is now, and I certainly wouldn't want or need to be any more stretched out, so I don't feel size is an issue. The next size up, a medium, is over 55cm top tube, so too big.
Dizeee said:
Who is Paul Newman anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2OdPDEG6aQ...now if you could perhaps just persuade Mrs Dizeee to oblige?
Little update on this.
I feel happier about the bike on the whole having tweaked and got a bit more used to it, however I have noticed something which may go towards explaining how I initially felt towards the bike. I have barely come out the small ring on the front, not something I am used to as I never used the small ring previously unless going up anything of significant gradient. Maybe the gearing has played a part in my initial feel, don't know.
I managed a decent paced 40 mile commute this week, so I am fairly confident the bike is not "actually" slower than the previous bike, but I still maintain it feels very different and the constant deep aching from my quads suggests to me that I am having to work harder to achieve the same performance.
Annoyingly I have also found the the front wheel arrived with a slow puncture, it continues to lose around 8 psi a day, I will replace the tube but can't be bothered at the moment. In addition, the easiest gear (big ring at the back) keeps jumping down onto the next cog down, so that will need indexing by me, which is a hazardous thought. Canyon are sending replacement tubes though and I have been impressed with their customer service so far so no complaints there.
I feel happier about the bike on the whole having tweaked and got a bit more used to it, however I have noticed something which may go towards explaining how I initially felt towards the bike. I have barely come out the small ring on the front, not something I am used to as I never used the small ring previously unless going up anything of significant gradient. Maybe the gearing has played a part in my initial feel, don't know.
I managed a decent paced 40 mile commute this week, so I am fairly confident the bike is not "actually" slower than the previous bike, but I still maintain it feels very different and the constant deep aching from my quads suggests to me that I am having to work harder to achieve the same performance.
Annoyingly I have also found the the front wheel arrived with a slow puncture, it continues to lose around 8 psi a day, I will replace the tube but can't be bothered at the moment. In addition, the easiest gear (big ring at the back) keeps jumping down onto the next cog down, so that will need indexing by me, which is a hazardous thought. Canyon are sending replacement tubes though and I have been impressed with their customer service so far so no complaints there.
I think lower, slightly.
I have raised the seat twice since last week, I know for sure it was far too low last week when I built it up form the box and then when I raised it, I didn't raise it high enough, because when I checked my measurements again it was still slightly low. It now matches the bike fit numbers I was given, and is much better, but instinctively I feel like it could probably still be raised slightly.
The aches are dying down but the quads have definately had a new hit of work they have not been used to before. The small "sprocket" spins out to around 35mph so I am sticking to that rather than using the big ring, something I haven't done before.
Maybe despite all my efforts on the bike this year I am just getting fat!
I have raised the seat twice since last week, I know for sure it was far too low last week when I built it up form the box and then when I raised it, I didn't raise it high enough, because when I checked my measurements again it was still slightly low. It now matches the bike fit numbers I was given, and is much better, but instinctively I feel like it could probably still be raised slightly.
The aches are dying down but the quads have definately had a new hit of work they have not been used to before. The small "sprocket" spins out to around 35mph so I am sticking to that rather than using the big ring, something I haven't done before.
Maybe despite all my efforts on the bike this year I am just getting fat!
52/36 on these Dizeee?
Nice thread to read through as I was contemplating the same bike now that it hass been slightly reduced on the Canyon website. Think I may plum for the 7.0 aluminium though as the delivery dates have tumbled a little and the red frame appeals.
Nice thread to read through as I was contemplating the same bike now that it hass been slightly reduced on the Canyon website. Think I may plum for the 7.0 aluminium though as the delivery dates have tumbled a little and the red frame appeals.
Edited by RLE on Friday 24th March 09:28
Forget your fit numbers, pick one of your bikes that you know your comfortable and match your new Canyon to that bike.
You basically just need to make sure the saddle setback is the same (ideally the same saddle), so just plonk your bike with the back wheel against a straight/flat wall then measure the wall to saddle tip and then the wall to BB to get your setback distance.
Then just measure the BB to certain part on the saddle (I used the middle of the saddle marked with some tape) to ensure the height in the same.
To adjust height of the front end just measure from axle to top of handlebar next to the stem.
Once you have done that just measure the tip/front of the saddle to the handlebar on both bikes and to match you may need to change your stem, but never change the saddle setback to adjust reach.
You basically just need to make sure the saddle setback is the same (ideally the same saddle), so just plonk your bike with the back wheel against a straight/flat wall then measure the wall to saddle tip and then the wall to BB to get your setback distance.
Then just measure the BB to certain part on the saddle (I used the middle of the saddle marked with some tape) to ensure the height in the same.
To adjust height of the front end just measure from axle to top of handlebar next to the stem.
Once you have done that just measure the tip/front of the saddle to the handlebar on both bikes and to match you may need to change your stem, but never change the saddle setback to adjust reach.
It's a bad idea to ride in the small chainring and a small sprocket as you'll wear the chain, ring, and sprockets quickly due to the poor alignment. On a 52/36 setup you should be in the big ring on the flat and up slight gradients.
Also the bike looks to be too small for you IMO, you've got a huge amount of seat post out and look like you're riding someone else's bike. I understand that your back isn't very flexible but riding a Small frame at 5'9" isn't the answer.
Also the bike looks to be too small for you IMO, you've got a huge amount of seat post out and look like you're riding someone else's bike. I understand that your back isn't very flexible but riding a Small frame at 5'9" isn't the answer.
I'm pretty sure the numbers on the chainset are 53/26 but will go and have a look later and post up. I might also raise the saddle another few mm but the rest of the setup feels pretty good as does my back even in a lower position.
I don't think it's too small at all, the size chart and dimensions all match my height and build, plus side by side as pictured above both bikes are near identical just different frame angles. I certainly would not want a larger frame.
I don't think it's too small at all, the size chart and dimensions all match my height and build, plus side by side as pictured above both bikes are near identical just different frame angles. I certainly would not want a larger frame.
Dizeee said:
I'm pretty sure the numbers on the chainset are 53/26 but will go and have a look later and post up. I might also raise the saddle another few mm but the rest of the setup feels pretty good as does my back even in a lower position.
I don't think it's too small at all, the size chart and dimensions all match my height and build, plus side by side as pictured above both bikes are near identical just different frame angles. I certainly would not want a larger frame.
Though looking at the video the bike is too small for you if you are looking at riding a conventional position. If you want/need to ride in a position like that due to back issue then fair enough but have you ever tried more more conventional (not even an aggressive) position ?I don't think it's too small at all, the size chart and dimensions all match my height and build, plus side by side as pictured above both bikes are near identical just different frame angles. I certainly would not want a larger frame.
As you effectively got a pretty short bike there made a load shorter by slamming the saddle forward which causes that position.
As previously mentioned if you are 100% comfy on another bike of yours just copy the all the measurements across from that, loads better then moving stuff around randomly.
Marcellus said:
Aching quads can be a sign of the saddle being too low.
have i missed what the fasination with the little ring is surely doing 35mph in 34/36/39 : 11/12 (or whatever you've got) isn't sympathetic to you or your chain set!
Agreehave i missed what the fasination with the little ring is surely doing 35mph in 34/36/39 : 11/12 (or whatever you've got) isn't sympathetic to you or your chain set!
I used to get aching quads when I had the saddle too low on my bikes, my quads would feel tired, rest of legs fresh, now with my saddle at correct height after long rides (80 miles last weekend) all my legs feel tired, not just quads, with not too much localised soreness
This issue with the saddle too low, was my outer quads were doing all the big work, they grew too powerful and pulled my knee out of alignment and endless knee aches
After nearly a year of this, I put the saddle to correct height, but it feels "wrong" as all the muscles have developed to ride differently. Its taken me months to get used to the new proper position
Steve hogg talks about quad soreness here: https://www.stevehoggbikefitting.com/bikefit/2011/... Now I have got used to it in conjunction with Yoga, its so much better, especially on long rides
Why do you have the saddle setback so far forward?
I'm 5"7 so shorter than you and on that frame I would be no where near the handlebars
As said never set setback to help back or reach issues, use setback for pedal stroke only
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