New Canyon Endurace - love it but....

New Canyon Endurace - love it but....

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Matt_N

8,901 posts

202 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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All this stuff was said on page 1 and 2, it's painful to read when the advice has already been given but ignored.

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Matt_N said:
All this stuff was said on page 1 and 2, it's painful to read when the advice has already been given but ignored.
Quite.

We arrive 4 pages later and basically it transpires the bike is not set up like the other one. Vintage dizeeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee

Dizeee

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18,302 posts

206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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The position on that video is old though. The new position I have recorded this morning. As said it feels better. I also raised the saddle again today, less aching quads, but windy so still a hard ride.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_1GN7Lr-PE

okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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The best bit was the cat coming out, then you doing some weird track stand type thing half way through hehe

Saddle looks too low still possibly.

Dizeee

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18,302 posts

206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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I had no idea the cat was there throughout all of that until I watched it back. I was trying to include as many "positions" as I could to give a better overview.

Could be right about the saddle, although it has been raised now 4 times eek

Dizeee

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18,302 posts

206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Matt_N said:
All this stuff was said on page 1 and 2, it's painful to read when the advice has already been given but ignored.
Have you not read all I have done, including the pics of the bikes next to each other and measuring them up side by side? Since then I have continued to adjust things and followed advice here by pushing the seat back to a more neutral position and instead adjusting the handlebars and saddle height to compensate...

mcelliott

8,661 posts

181 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Wearing black doesn't really help, still look too hunched.

Dizeee

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206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Hunched? I thought I was too upright before? Or do you mean I need a longer reach? I currently have a 90mm stem with a 100mm stem on the way so could extend the reach quite a bit with stem change and handlebar movements. Personally I find it suits me, back has been good as gold with no complaints.

TwistingMyMelon

6,385 posts

205 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Personally bike fit from somewhere recommended, do it for all your bikes then keep the bikes a long time

Only time I have ever got backache is by sitting too upright, due to a small frame and short stem on a long ride

I think the frame can be made to fit, but every video you post it looks too small, that might make sense to accommodate a back issue, but you could end up making it worse or give yourself other issues




mcelliott

8,661 posts

181 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Still a bit too upright to my eyes, the extra 10mm on the new stem is worth a try. Where does your saddle sit on the rails? forward/arft.

Edited by mcelliott on Friday 24th March 17:11

fromage

537 posts

203 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Dizeee said:
Hunched? I thought I was too upright before? Or do you mean I need a longer reach? I currently have a 90mm stem with a 100mm stem on the way so could extend the reach quite a bit with stem change and handlebar movements. Personally I find it suits me, back has been good as gold with no complaints.
Out of interest what is the distance from the tip of your saddle to your handlebars (next to stem)

Dizeee

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206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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mcelliott said:
Still a bit too upright to my eyes, the extra 10mm on the new stem is worth a try. Where does your saddle sit on the rails? forward/arft.

Edited by mcelliott on Friday 24th March 17:11
The saddle now and in that vid is slightly further back than where it was in the first vid where I pushed it forward almost as far as it could go. I pushed it back around 1cm so it currently still sits forward but more towards the centre. It has meant my knees are now more vertical when pushing on the pedals which is a good thing as before they were not.

It's working for me there for now, no adverse issues and I have covered some ground on it. I could experiment with it some more though.

Dizeee

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Friday 24th March 2017
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fromage said:
Out of interest what is the distance from the tip of your saddle to your handlebars (next to stem)
In a straight line to the centre of the handlebars 52.5cm. From the nose of the saddle to the hoods, so (diagonally measured) it is, for arguments sake, 66cm. I say that because the range between 64cm and 70cm covers the area where the hood starts all the way to the front edge of the shifter, so your hand encompasses a large area on the hood. 66cm is the point where the shifter starts from the bar tape so where your hand would be.

The hoods are definitely more elongated and stretched out than the old Bianchi's.

IREvans

1,126 posts

122 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Dizeee said:
I had no idea the cat was there throughout all of that until I watched it back. I was trying to include as many "positions" as I could to give a better overview.

Could be right about the saddle, although it has been raised now 4 times eek
It may have been discussed already, but I can't work out why rather than make lots of potential injury inducing changes to your position, you just don't go and get a professional bike fit done, preferably by someone who knows what they're doing. They will analyse your flexibility, then see if the bike can be adapted to fit you correctly. Moving the seat up, down, forward, backward, then changing the stem....seems inevitable you'll get it wrong, and cause yourself injury.

Seems to me you're sat far too upright, and the bike frame is just too small for you....

Dizeee

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18,302 posts

206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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I shelled out Jan 2016 for a pro bike fit, I came away with the resulting measurements all listed clearly on a frame chart with corresponding angles etc. I wasn't that impressed with the fitter for other reasons, including the fact he never did a flexibility test, but I still have the numbers and he was recommended by a PHer so I am sure his numbers can't be that far off.

I have had numerous minor "fits" and bike shops measure / advise me on sizing over the years and couple with researching the Canyon sizing there are little more times I can say it is the correct size. I am 5 foot 8 and a half, with 30 inch legs and currently weigh more than I should at 75kg. The 55cm Bianchi was always too big for me, my 53.5 De Rosa is spot on, so this Small Canyon who size larger than expected at 54.5cm top tube is definitely right.

TheFungle

4,074 posts

206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Is it worth posting a similar pic/video of you on the De Rosa?

I must admit that that position doesn't look like one of someone who does as many miles as you do. To me it looks as if you should be stretched forward slightly.

Dizeee

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18,302 posts

206 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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Could do that, bike is at a friends though being stripped and cleaned at the moment. Once back I will.


okgo

38,031 posts

198 months

Friday 24th March 2017
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You look like you're about to pull a wheelie in that still above, something isn't right, just hard to put a finger on it. I so think saddle could well be too low still.

hadenough!

3,785 posts

260 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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In still not convinced a small frame is right for someone who's 5 ft 9

Marcellus

7,119 posts

219 months

Saturday 25th March 2017
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guys he's go the frame it's teh size it is so let's move on from that one!

Dizz, are you a toe pointer, flat footer or heal dropper when you really ride on the open road?

Can make 2" difference to saddle height!