Contador to get ban
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the high level of plasticisers in his blood was more damning. i dont know what went on but i still think that contador is surely too smart to risk blatant doping, particularly given the technology behind the blood passport testing process. he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. its not like landis where it was s
t or bust, contador didnt need to do it, he still had a strong enough team around him to do the business.
t or bust, contador didnt need to do it, he still had a strong enough team around him to do the business. pablo said:
the high level of plasticisers in his blood was more damning. i dont know what went on but i still think that contador is surely too smart to risk blatant doping, particularly given the technology behind the blood passport testing process. he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. its not like landis where it was st or bust, contador didnt need to do it, he still had a strong enough team around him to do the business.
I'm not sure.t or bust, contador didnt need to do it, he still had a strong enough team around him to do the business. To me, he seemed to struggle early on in the tour and then seemed to up his game.
I think Schleck could've had him in the mountains, but for some unknown reason seemed to sit up and take it easy. It could'nt be because Specialised had something to do with it surely?
FactoryPilot said:
pablo said:
the high level of plasticisers in his blood was more damning. i dont know what went on but i still think that contador is surely too smart to risk blatant doping, particularly given the technology behind the blood passport testing process. he had nothing to gain and everything to lose. its not like landis where it was st or bust, contador didnt need to do it, he still had a strong enough team around him to do the business.
I'm not sure.t or bust, contador didnt need to do it, he still had a strong enough team around him to do the business. To me, he seemed to struggle early on in the tour and then seemed to up his game.
I think Schleck could've had him in the mountains, but for some unknown reason seemed to sit up and take it easy. It could'nt be because Specialised had something to do with it surely?
I think it will be harsh to ban him. The amount they found in his blood was way below the threshold set. A case of being made an example of I think. Will not blame him for quitting if they ban him.
thiscocks said:
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I think it will be harsh to ban him. The amount they found in his blood was way below the threshold set. A case of being made an example of I think. Will not blame him for quitting if they ban him.
I'm in the other camp here. They found an illegal substance. The rules as they stand state it is illegal upon detection, not illegal after a threshold limit. So to comply with the rules he has to be banned. If not why have rules? The fact that the detection is getting better and better at identifying incredibly low limits is not at question.I think it will be harsh to ban him. The amount they found in his blood was way below the threshold set. A case of being made an example of I think. Will not blame him for quitting if they ban him.
The plasticizers is another issue entirely. Personally I reckon he did the blood doping. My theory was he was worried about how close Andy S was and so went for the top up, but that's just my 2p. Given his past history in ITT I think he could have beaten Andy S anyway as Contador has been pretty good for a good couple of years now in that discipline.
Chris
CVP said:
I'm in the other camp here. They found an illegal substance. The rules as they stand state it is illegal upon detection, not illegal after a threshold limit. So to comply with the rules he has to be banned. If not why have rules? The fact that the detection is getting better and better at identifying incredibly low limits is not at question.
The plasticizers is another issue entirely. Personally I reckon he did the blood doping. My theory was he was worried about how close Andy S was and so went for the top up, but that's just my 2p. Given his past history in ITT I think he could have beaten Andy S anyway as Contador has been pretty good for a good couple of years now in that discipline.
Chris
Actually this is a good point and I agree with 100%.The plasticizers is another issue entirely. Personally I reckon he did the blood doping. My theory was he was worried about how close Andy S was and so went for the top up, but that's just my 2p. Given his past history in ITT I think he could have beaten Andy S anyway as Contador has been pretty good for a good couple of years now in that discipline.
Chris
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spanish-federation...
would be nice if footballers and tennis stars were tested the same as cyclist... may throw up some interesting findings.
must be so hard running around for 90minutes, but only touching the ball for 50seconds of that!
would be nice if footballers and tennis stars were tested the same as cyclist... may throw up some interesting findings.
must be so hard running around for 90minutes, but only touching the ball for 50seconds of that!
cervelo said:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/spanish-federation...
would be nice if footballers and tennis stars were tested the same as cyclist... may throw up some interesting findings.
must be so hard running around for 90minutes, but only touching the ball for 50seconds of that!
Agreed. In a way with all the testing cyclists create bad publicity for the sport. However we're coming from a dark place and on the journey to a better one, so as painful as the occasional revelation is we need to keep going to get to a sport we can all continue to love.would be nice if footballers and tennis stars were tested the same as cyclist... may throw up some interesting findings.
must be so hard running around for 90minutes, but only touching the ball for 50seconds of that!
I'm with you, I'd like to see other sports put in the same effort cycling does. Athletics is close but lots of other professional sports seem completely lax. Look at how long Andre Aggassi got away with his abuse. If he'd not confessed in his autobiography nobody would know. Another prime example would be lots of players in the NFL. There's no way those guys are not abusing steroids but because of the money in the sport, no-one wants to know.
I want my heroes to be magnificent but also human. I have utmost respect for David Millar now. On his high days he's there pushing the front but you know he's going to pay in a day or so. In an odd way I like the fact that he can kill himself despite the fact he knows he'll pay the price, it just shows how badly he needs to be up there.
Anyway, enough rambling from me
pablo said:
given that contador was only 18 seconds behind spartacus in the first ITT and actually won the second ITT in le tour 2009, I would say his TT record is pretty good....
Most probably because he was doping then too. There's no way he should be any where near Spartacus in a TT, let alone beat him.This years TT was much more reflective of Contador's ability. He broke the rules, got caught and should be banned (also stripped of his TdF 2010 win)
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