Contador to get ban
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thiscocks said:
TDF will be interesting this year then 
no it wont it will be as dull as fishing. schleck sr will drag schleck jr up the mountains with a bit of help from Voight every now and then, Spartacus will drag the pair of them round on the flats, Cav will once again be talked up for the green jersey only to come second to Hushvod and some italian will win king of the mountains... seriously Leopard-Trek will be immense but good luck to them but I actually think the Giro will be the better race (again)pablo said:
thiscocks said:
TDF will be interesting this year then
no it wont it will be as dull as fishing. schleck sr will drag schleck jr up the mountains with a bit of help from Voight every now and then, Spartacus will drag the pair of them round on the flats, Cav will once again be talked up for the green jersey only to come second to Hushvod and some italian will win king of the mountains... seriously Leopard-Trek will be immense but good luck to them but I actually think the Giro will be the better race (again)neilski said:
Contador cleared....
road.cc
Who'd have thought it?
So was the meat contaminated with Clenbuterol and plasticizers then?
From what I've read, most of the articles about this forget to mention the plasticizers. road.cc
Who'd have thought it?
So was the meat contaminated with Clenbuterol and plasticizers then?
I can't see how someone can test positive then not face a ban for it. It does nothing to help the sports reputation of being rife with drug use.
Unbelievable.
Next we'll be hearing Landis deciding he hadn't doped after all, someone had stuck a testosterone patch on him during the night and he unwillingly ingested it.
IIRC it wasn't the overall testosterone levels that they got Landis on, but one of four single ratio results which he argued was within experimental error of the lab concerned. But the presence of synthetic testosterone in his bloodstream, even though below normal levels, was enough to ban him. If the UCI stand back and simply point fingers at the Spanish and say "it's their fault, we can't do anything", then it's game over.
Next we'll be hearing Landis deciding he hadn't doped after all, someone had stuck a testosterone patch on him during the night and he unwillingly ingested it.
IIRC it wasn't the overall testosterone levels that they got Landis on, but one of four single ratio results which he argued was within experimental error of the lab concerned. But the presence of synthetic testosterone in his bloodstream, even though below normal levels, was enough to ban him. If the UCI stand back and simply point fingers at the Spanish and say "it's their fault, we can't do anything", then it's game over.
for those who remember that tour, Landis died on a climb one day, he was passed by pretty much the entire peloton......the very next day he was awesome and everyone who was watching thought something was fishy.
fast forward to 2010 and there was no dramatic change in contador's performance to raise suspicions. I still believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and I dont think he is gulity of doping. He knows the risks, he knows how good the testing is, he knows how often he would have been tested whilst in yellow. it just doesnt add up.
granted the level of plasticisers is a tough one to argue.
fast forward to 2010 and there was no dramatic change in contador's performance to raise suspicions. I still believe in "innocent until proven guilty" and I dont think he is gulity of doping. He knows the risks, he knows how good the testing is, he knows how often he would have been tested whilst in yellow. it just doesnt add up.
granted the level of plasticisers is a tough one to argue.
What a farce. Of course he's guilty, he had clenbuterol in his system. The spanish are saying they believe he got it from his assistant going to Spain and buying contaminated meat during the tour and not being able to remember where he got it from. What nonsense.
If the UCI don't overturn this and give him a two year ban it's a disgrace.
If the UCI don't overturn this and give him a two year ban it's a disgrace.
What a farce. Of course he's guilty, he had clenbuterol in his system. The spanish are saying they believe he got it from his assistant going to Spain and buying contaminated meat during the tour and not being able to remember where he got it from. What nonsense.
If the UCI don't overturn this and give him a two year ban it's a disgrace.
If the UCI don't overturn this and give him a two year ban it's a disgrace.
Having read more it would also appear that the RFEC are covering themselves due to a admin error, what the hell is going on with this first we had talk that the levels were below the UCI limits now we have this and a statement that he did not knowingly ingest the drugs, oh well that’s ok then I did not know so that is fine what an absolute joke !
As these labs get better and better it does raise the question of genuine accidental ingestion by the competitor. To find some form of banned substance in a person's system and taking their placing away is one thing, banning them another.
To ban, imo, you need to prove they deliberately took the substance to enhance performance - they are being unethical and unsportsmanlike therefore a ban is the right course of action.
To remove a placing you are doing so because, accidentally or purposely, the person had an unfair advantage over the other competitors.
As such minute amounts of these substances can be found in the bloodstream a serious concern for any athlete must now be what is in the food they eat as many banned substances are used in food production and may be seen in low levels in the bloodstream of humans that have eaten a "contaminated" substance.
Not saying the above is a case for Contador being free of charges but I'd be interested in others views on the above...
To ban, imo, you need to prove they deliberately took the substance to enhance performance - they are being unethical and unsportsmanlike therefore a ban is the right course of action.
To remove a placing you are doing so because, accidentally or purposely, the person had an unfair advantage over the other competitors.
As such minute amounts of these substances can be found in the bloodstream a serious concern for any athlete must now be what is in the food they eat as many banned substances are used in food production and may be seen in low levels in the bloodstream of humans that have eaten a "contaminated" substance.
Not saying the above is a case for Contador being free of charges but I'd be interested in others views on the above...
I think the accidental or intentional rule would be difficult to enforce, which would leave you in that grey area that they are currently in about acceptable levels but again that seems to vary from source to source.
From my point of view you either have a no tolerance perspective or a do what the hell you like view and to hell with the effects on the atheletes !
From my point of view you either have a no tolerance perspective or a do what the hell you like view and to hell with the effects on the atheletes !
You'd need irrefutable proof or repeated "positives" to enforce.
If I get a guy once, at minute levels, of a substance that contributes to improved performance but possibly not at the remaining residual level then it's a place removal and they get put on an extensive testing programme.
If I get larger (i.e, impossible to have got from contaminated food) levels and/or repeated positives tests for banned substances, and/or proof of deliberate banned substance use then it's a ban.
Lock every rider in Park Ferme as they finish and don't let them out until they've all given blood and urine samples.... every race..
If I get a guy once, at minute levels, of a substance that contributes to improved performance but possibly not at the remaining residual level then it's a place removal and they get put on an extensive testing programme.
If I get larger (i.e, impossible to have got from contaminated food) levels and/or repeated positives tests for banned substances, and/or proof of deliberate banned substance use then it's a ban.
Lock every rider in Park Ferme as they finish and don't let them out until they've all given blood and urine samples.... every race..
dubbs said:
Lock every rider in Park Ferme as they finish and don't let them out until they've all given blood and urine samples.... every race..
not everyone, but anyone in top 10 GC from day to day and within top 5 of sprints/KoM - why not?Or on a random basis at least every 3 days the top 10 GC undergo tests.
Just read Breaking The Chain: Drugs and Cycling - The True Story:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Breaking-Chain-Drugs-Cycli...
A real eye opener for sure. I'm in no doubt Contador knew what he was doing and this is Spain standing up for their man.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Breaking-Chain-Drugs-Cycli...
A real eye opener for sure. I'm in no doubt Contador knew what he was doing and this is Spain standing up for their man.
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