Hard lesson learnt today - Cube Ltd Team spirited away
Discussion
boobles said:
This is the one I am using. Pretty secure I would have thought.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
I wouldn't be so sure - I've had a bike stolen when locked with something similar....http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
The only lock I have faith in is this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Onguard-Beast-Chain-Boxer-...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArSWkXW4kc
That said I lock my bike at a station with a Kryptonite D lock (the gold rated one) - because that's what my insurance demands. I'm expecting it to be stolen at some point though...
Mars said:
eez... That's exceptionally poor show. I'm ordering a Kryptonite lock immediately. Thanks for the warning.
Be careful you can do the same with the Kryptonites too, thought many have been modified:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCxHD9_uEf8
Get an Abus as they have a rectangular key system....
Edited by Gnarlybluesurf on Saturday 23 April 09:10
Sorry for your loss OP. This has kicked me up the arse to improve my security, what do you guys think of this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kryptonite-Evolution-Mini-Bi...
I've already got a cheaper d-lock and cable one but just want a better d-lock
Dave
Gnarlybluesurf said:
Be careful you can do the same with the Kryptonites too, thought many have been modified:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCxHD9_uEf8
Get an Abus as they have a rectangular key system....
All Kryptonites have the rectangular keys nowadays.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCxHD9_uEf8
Get an Abus as they have a rectangular key system....
Edited by Gnarlybluesurf on Saturday 23 April 09:10
sorry to hear about the theft, its crazy that it happened outside a busy shop on a busy street!
might be worth a look around brick lane market tomorrow, needless to say gumtree, freecycle, ebay, craigslist, thieves tend not to use bikeradar etc to get rid of stolen stuff, too many people ask questions and it scares them off.
might be worth a look around brick lane market tomorrow, needless to say gumtree, freecycle, ebay, craigslist, thieves tend not to use bikeradar etc to get rid of stolen stuff, too many people ask questions and it scares them off.
HereBeMonsters said:
The one I bought yesterday doesn't.
Some of them have the standard 'chubb' style keys - the cheaper cable locks in the main.The decent locks (silver rated and above) all have the abus style rectangular keys. The most secure (sold secure gold and above) also have profiled rectangular keys which are even more secure - as do the top end Abus locks.
None have the cylinder locks seen above - that is a standard lock type, not specific to Kryptonite. Other cheaper brands may possibly use the system, I don't know about them. My immobilisor in my car uses the cylinder type lock and can be turned off with a BIC!
HereBeMonsters said:
I've seen someone using a car jack to remove a D lock...
That's why you should lock your frame up thusly...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6xnkEkP2WY
filling the lock up with bike means a bottle jack can't be fitted in without catastrophic damage to be frame.
Wheels are actually harder to cut than many D-Locks! Bolt croppers get snarled up on the wire/kevlar bead of the tyre, and an angle grinder constantly binds on the rim as you try and go through it. It's no mean feat. So long as the D-lock is within the rear triangle of the frame I'm happy to lock my bike like that if I can't get it through a frame hole too.
The main problem with locking 'just' a wheel is getting it wrong and making it possible for the frame to be taken away. I've lost a bike that way. If people secured both wheels it would help - if you walk along any decent sized bike rack you'll see a bike locked only by front/rear wheel, and a couple of bikes up will be a quick release version of the wheel you need on another bike unsecured .That's a bike in 30 seconds for free.
The main problem with locking 'just' a wheel is getting it wrong and making it possible for the frame to be taken away. I've lost a bike that way. If people secured both wheels it would help - if you walk along any decent sized bike rack you'll see a bike locked only by front/rear wheel, and a couple of bikes up will be a quick release version of the wheel you need on another bike unsecured .That's a bike in 30 seconds for free.
BMWBen said:
boobles said:
This is the one I am using. Pretty secure I would have thought.
http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
I wouldn't be so sure - I've had a bike stolen when locked with something similar....http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/...
The only lock I have faith in is this one:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Onguard-Beast-Chain-Boxer-...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArSWkXW4kc
That said I lock my bike at a station with a Kryptonite D lock (the gold rated one) - because that's what my insurance demands. I'm expecting it to be stolen at some point though...
They would have to first brake into the alarmed shed & then tackle the security lights that WILL blind them & then see if they can outrun the dog. I don't leave my bike anywhere as it's only used for excerise these days.
I have had two bikes stolen both with cable locks on. The first was a cheapy but the second was 65 quid and came with an insurance policy......'if the lock is breached and bike stolen then you can claim upto 1500 quid....' anyway bike stolen and the kind thieves left the lock behind. I rang the lock manufacturers who asked a few qs about the lock, I explained that the cable had been cut and could provide pics or send the lock back. They refused to pay out stating that the lock was not breached only the cable which is not covered ! ! Which in fairness was quite correct, the barrel of the lock was in pristine condition, the cable had been cut through like a knife through butter though !
So, 100 quid poorer I am now the proud owner of a kryptonite newyorker, and I could always hit the thief with the lump !
The Garda were helpful and said that bike thieves have never had it so good. Lots of new cyclists buying expensive bikes on cycle to work schemes with precious little in the way of security !
Remember all you cable lock users.... The foolish man learns from his mistakes.....the wise man learns from the mistakes of others !
So, 100 quid poorer I am now the proud owner of a kryptonite newyorker, and I could always hit the thief with the lump !
The Garda were helpful and said that bike thieves have never had it so good. Lots of new cyclists buying expensive bikes on cycle to work schemes with precious little in the way of security !
Remember all you cable lock users.... The foolish man learns from his mistakes.....the wise man learns from the mistakes of others !
Reardy Mister said:
Mars said:
What sort of ABUS lock? Google throw up several and none below 47 quid on the first page.
Sorry about the loss. Was it insured? I know that's not the point but it'll soften the blow a little.
A sSorry about the loss. Was it insured? I know that's not the point but it'll soften the blow a little.
t one that had more plastic that cable and obviously took no time to snip through.Not insured as I just moved out of my ex girlfiends place. The hit is all mine to take.
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