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dorrisdormouse
61 posts
20 months
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Id love to have a go at that class... My car only runs 8.4/8.5 currently although plans are afoot to go faster with the aim being the 7.6's. Im not sure I can manage the budget to be able to regularly run 6's though so unfortunately i think that puts it out of my reach. Its not so much about the buying the bits to go faster, im more concerned about the budget involved in keeping a 6 second car on the track. Currently my aim is to build a mid 7 second car to run on alky and run consistantly in the mid 7's without always breaking stuff or having to be torn down regularly. At the mo im thinking of building a 490 ish ci Chevy, with an 8/71 blower maybe 10% overdriven on alky with the aim being to make around 1100hp. Thats going to wipe my budget for quite a while, but next step after that is a chromoly chassis for me. Maybe at some point after that if I can secure the budget then maybe I could go fast enough to slot in to the class - but i think that would be several years down the line. If it were like Nostalgia Eliminator 1 or something on a mid 7 index id be keen to move across with the new build. Or if there was some sort of handicap system involved making the slower cars more competitive then again you could count me in, but i cant see how that would really work well.
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MotorPsycho
1,077 posts
80 months
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Handicapped class exists, its called super pro  to work it has to be true heads up, maybe 6.00 is too low for a cut off? There's a massive difference in budget between running a regular mid 7second car to mid-low 6s.
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dorrisdormouse
61 posts
20 months
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Yeah, I just wasnt sure if there was a way to handicap without being a full bracket class with breakouts etc. I guess the only thing would be comp eliminator style, and that exists too lol.
Really though i think you hit the nail on the head. Regular mid to low 6s are out of the reach of alot of racers that could make regular mid 7's.
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Dnac
156 posts
80 months
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Regarding the Su-Mo Conversation, I'm not sure you could say it never took off, At one point it was one of the bigger classes, with some truely beautiful cars being built and entered.
I guess its just a numbers game, few of the drivers sold up to move onto other things, Others have broke, some new cars are being built.
Lets not forget we are in a recession, or at least coming out of it, and not many people can afford to get cars that are mid built finished.
As for budget, I think Fred does pretty well, and he doesn't have a massive budget, he just races smart.
Its a Pity that Nitro couldn't be allowed (obviously would need to be restricted to certain car class within the ranks), it would give Paul and Wendy another outlet to run thier car until the others finish building the rest of the class
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BennettRacing
728 posts
80 months
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dorrisdormouse said: Id love to have a go at that class... My car only runs 8.4/8.5 currently although plans are afoot to go faster with the aim being the 7.6's. Im not sure I can manage the budget to be able to regularly run 6's though so unfortunately i think that puts it out of my reach. Its not so much about the buying the bits to go faster, im more concerned about the budget involved in keeping a 6 second car on the track. Currently my aim is to build a mid 7 second car to run on alky and run consistantly in the mid 7's without always breaking stuff or having to be torn down regularly. At the mo im thinking of building a 490 ish ci Chevy, with an 8/71 blower maybe 10% overdriven on alky with the aim being to make around 1100hp. Thats going to wipe my budget for quite a while, but next step after that is a chromoly chassis for me. Maybe at some point after that if I can secure the budget then maybe I could go fast enough to slot in to the class - but i think that would be several years down the line. If it were like Nostalgia Eliminator 1 or something on a mid 7 index id be keen to move across with the new build. Or if there was some sort of handicap system involved making the slower cars more competitive then again you could count me in, but i cant see how that would really work well. I am in a similar boat mate but its progression, you only get faster by being beat. Weird way to look at it, but its a fact. We used to race with an all iron motor, horrible blower and a standard forged GM crank, had NO money, we made or everything we could or repaired everyones elses scraps. We raced in Top alcohol and got beat nearly every race but to get better and faster you have to get beat sometimes. Our best races were with Smax in the 90's and he had trick stuff/hemi etc, I always remember he came up to my old man once and said 'Frank, don't take this the wrong way but you have a load of s  t and I don't but you keep beating me!' Makes me chuckle, great racer and had some good times at the track. Anyway back on point, we had and have no money, we're not rich, we are skint, but we get by with what we have. My car will run mid to low 7's so yeah I will likely get beat and not win but so what, I would rather race heads up on a pro tree then dial in. Plus it will FORCE me to get faster, to get the car perfect as I can, to eeek out all the performance I want to on my budget, it could run a 6 yes but my budget wont allow so I will run consistant 7's and see what happens.
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Turbobird1
329 posts
17 months
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Dnac said: Its a Pity that Nitro couldn't be allowed (obviously would need to be restricted to certain car class within the ranks), it would give Paul and Wendy another outlet to run thier car until the others finish building the rest of the class so apart frim tim garlic who else are building nostalgia funny cars?
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dorrisdormouse
61 posts
20 months
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I think there's Tim G, Rat Fink, The guys at Ice Automotive (although that _could_ be Tim G's I cant quite recall.), Ramon with Wild'r at Heart, Timewarp... Im pretty sure there were a couple of others
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Turbobird1
329 posts
17 months
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so when tim gets his out there will be 2
the kirks car wont happen now and the ice car is shelved for now i beleive also
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dont know
56 posts
65 months
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I am still reading folks. Dont forget it is a proposal for now I am checking the interest, I can easy make it 7 to 8 secs. But those who have emailed me direct have all been the slower 8 second cars. + think this could be a good class. But whatever is tried someone will moan.
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BennettRacing
728 posts
80 months
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dont know said: I am still reading folks. Dont forget it is a proposal for now I am checking the interest, I can easy make it 7 to 8 secs. But those who have emailed me direct have all been the slower 8 second cars. + think this could be a good class. But whatever is tried someone will moan. Sadly can't please everyone, they moan about the class they run in then moan about a new one. We will hopefully be there with either mine or my old mans
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Turbobird1
329 posts
17 months
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dont know said: I am still reading folks. Dont forget it is a proposal for now I am checking the interest, I can easy make it 7 to 8 secs. But those who have emailed me direct have all been the slower 8 second cars. + think this could be a good class. But whatever is tried someone will moan. good that your reading exclude door cars and make it a 7.0 class with the proviso that can change at any time, there are not many 6 sec cars without a place to race you will always get moaners and you will never please everyone id think at 7.0 its fast enough but not a bank killer a decent blown small block with budget parts and some tuning should manage that no problem in an altered or dragster ask mr plan X hell ill even name it for you....GO 70
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trackday addict
499 posts
78 months
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You purposely trying to shaft us Graham ?  No door cars, no this no that . You want ingenuity we have it yep and you still don't like it - lol
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dorrisdormouse
61 posts
20 months
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A 7.0 class would be cool :-) Think there are a few cars that could be competitive in that class already around, although i know some people are worried about classes being diluted.
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Rat_Fink_67
1,285 posts
75 months
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dorrisdormouse said: Rat Fink Divorce lawyer put the nail in that coffin unfortunately.
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Turbobird1
329 posts
17 months
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trackday addict said: You purposely trying to shaft us Graham ? No door cars, no this no that . You want ingenuity we have it yep and you still don't like it - lol not at all ..ok if you want to run heads up with 8 sec super pro cars fill your boots, cause without rules thats what youd get.. there are no 6 sec cars with nowhere to run there are a coulpe of nfaa cars that are quick but they run NFaa you show me more than 2 other door cars that can run those numbers that are not currently running in pro mod i can only think of vince gibbs right now who runs 6s in a door car, with pro mod cars or pro mod style cars it becomes a battle of money wheres the enginuity in that?? your car John is full of enginuity so do you think running 7 sec altereds or 8 sec door cars is a good place to showcase it? my reason for no door cars is two fold 1 keep out pro mods 2 keep out slow cars thing to remember here ...this is my opinion not the final draught of the rule book  the bye word here has to be affordability, "affordabillity" and "heads up" without rules are complete contradictions
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trackday addict
499 posts
78 months
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We don't have a promod car though with large big capacity V8 we have a 3.5 litre so lots of ingenuity required - there are not parts typically waiting on a shelf elsewhere
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Turbobird1
329 posts
17 months
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unfortunatly it looks like a pro mod its as fast as a pro mod and it cost more than most pro mods (at lest in the UK) so its a difficult situation to legistate for
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dorrisdormouse
61 posts
20 months
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Personally Id love to see John out in Pro Mod, as im sure a lot of others would. I think maybe that Vince possibly backed off the 6's a bit due to cost - but i completely could be wrong and i certainly wouldnt blame him either way.
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MotorPsycho
1,077 posts
80 months
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Turbobird1 said: good that your reading
exclude door cars and make it a 7.0 class with the proviso that can change at any time,
there are not many 6 sec cars without a place to race
you will always get moaners and you will never please everyone
id think at 7.0 its fast enough but not a bank killer a decent blown small block
with budget parts and some tuning should manage that no problem in an altered or dragster ask mr plan X
hell ill even name it for you....GO 70
Bang on. 7.0 Pro.
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Turbobird1
329 posts
17 months
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MotorPsycho said: Bang on. 7.0 Pro. too much like pro 70
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