Discussion
Turbobird1 said:
the qualifying points system is bad
on an nhra track which is perfect from session 1 its ok but often our tracks improve over the weekend so big cars often dont do so well in early sessions what it will do is encourage drivers to try too hard when the tracks not at its best
I ran the numbers on TF this morning, using this year's results using the new points system, just to see if it made any difference. on an nhra track which is perfect from session 1 its ok but often our tracks improve over the weekend so big cars often dont do so well in early sessions what it will do is encourage drivers to try too hard when the tracks not at its best
2 words, 2nd word "all".
I gave the other classes a cursory glance and pretty much the same I reckon.
The #1 qualifier often gets low ET so he/she would be just swapping the 5 points for that for the qualifying round points, and the others that qualify well will get a handful of points per event extra.
There have been a few Championships that come down to a points difference in single figures, but it's going to be fairly rare qualifying round points will have much of an impact.
The #1 qualifier often gets low ET so he/she would be just swapping the 5 points for that for the qualifying round points, and the others that qualify well will get a handful of points per event extra.
There have been a few Championships that come down to a points difference in single figures, but it's going to be fairly rare qualifying round points will have much of an impact.
Well the numbers weren't 100% as I don't have the round by round data from Alastaro, and I would expect to have a slightly lesser effect on PM as there are (in my opinion) more cars in that class capable of running in the top 3 in a qualifying round. Athough that said,, as with the usual qualifying points, they will still be spread across the better performing drivers and will simply stretch the gap points wise between them and the chasing pack.
Lots of generalisations there of course, and a bit of opinion, but it's a sound theory.
If anything I think the only real "advantage" for anyone are the drivers that do try every round. Chris Andrews is a good example as he would have picked up quite a few of the points on offer simply because not all of the "bigger hitters" came out every round (no offense intended at all to Chris !)
Of course the flip side is as someone has already pointed out, it might bring more drivers out per round to chase those points, but then many may see the points as not enough of an incentive.
Time will tell.
Lots of generalisations there of course, and a bit of opinion, but it's a sound theory.
If anything I think the only real "advantage" for anyone are the drivers that do try every round. Chris Andrews is a good example as he would have picked up quite a few of the points on offer simply because not all of the "bigger hitters" came out every round (no offense intended at all to Chris !)
Of course the flip side is as someone has already pointed out, it might bring more drivers out per round to chase those points, but then many may see the points as not enough of an incentive.
Time will tell.
My feeling on the autostart thing is that at pod we have the best start line crew period. Moving to a computerised system rather than allowing the benefit of their experience seems like a backward step - im not sure that many people feel they have been unfairly treated by the start line crew at pod. Then again Im not a pro racer, and I dont travel around europe so I cant comment on the other tracks.
I think consistency accross the championship is what was being aimed for with the AutoStart system, each starter naturally has their own style. Also, nobody could ever argue that a function of a computer program made a mistake or gave preference to someone. As the rules stated the starter still has ultimate control which is critical for safety, only difference now is that he decides whether the tree activates or not rather than when it activates.
Personally I think SPR has a brilliant startline crew and Ian's had a lot of praise over the years, perhaps the some of the human element will be lost but all we can do is see how things go next season.
Personally I think SPR has a brilliant startline crew and Ian's had a lot of praise over the years, perhaps the some of the human element will be lost but all we can do is see how things go next season.
hairyjester said:
I think consistency accross the championship is what was being aimed for with the AutoStart system, each starter naturally has their own style. Also, nobody could ever argue that a function of a computer program made a mistake or gave preference to someone. As the rules stated the starter still has ultimate control which is critical for safety, only difference now is that he decides whether the tree activates or not rather than when it activates.
Personally I think SPR has a brilliant startline crew and Ian's had a lot of praise over the years, perhaps the some of the human element will be lost but all we can do is see how things go next season.
If we want consistency then can we please have all speeds at all tracks in MPH. That is the US standard that the sport seems so obsessed with copying. Personally I think SPR has a brilliant startline crew and Ian's had a lot of praise over the years, perhaps the some of the human element will be lost but all we can do is see how things go next season.
Burndown said:
If we want consistency then can we please have all speeds at all tracks in MPH. That is the US standard that the sport seems so obsessed with copying.
I always find it odd that people ask questions like this on forums. Have you asked the governing bodies the question ?
Burndown said:
If we want consistency then can we please have all speeds at all tracks in MPH. That is the US standard that the sport seems so obsessed with copying.
That is a glaringly obvious point conspicuously vaulted over by the 'consistency' advocates isn't it? Shoves that argument a bit further back up their passage. NB: Down under (where the standard road measure is kms) they alternate their displays between kmh and mph for ease of interpretation.
firewalker said:
Burndown said:
If we want consistency then can we please have all speeds at all tracks in MPH. That is the US standard that the sport seems so obsessed with copying.
That is a glaringly obvious point conspicuously vaulted over by the 'consistency' advocates isn't it? Shoves that argument a bit further back up their passage. NB: Down under (where the standard road measure is kms) they alternate their displays between kmh and mph for ease of interpretation.
FIA state records are to measured in MPH, UEM state records are to measured in KPH.
Other than that it's up to the track to display in whatever format it likes and amazingly they chose to display it in the format they use in that particular country.
Seeing as SPR is the only track to display in MPH there is clearly a stronger argument for it to switch to KPH for consistency.
Other than that it's up to the track to display in whatever format it likes and amazingly they chose to display it in the format they use in that particular country.
Seeing as SPR is the only track to display in MPH there is clearly a stronger argument for it to switch to KPH for consistency.
hairyjester said:
crikey said:
Seeing as SPR is the only track to display in MPH there is clearly a stronger argument for it to switch to KPH for consistency.
As someone only taught in metric and who finds imperial measurements baffling, this is tempting 
Anyway, you think in binary, not metric !
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