traction control revisited
Discussion
It would be a major problem for me running a Big Stuff ECU too. I want my own choice of ECU.
I'm still at a bit of a loss to understand why we're still going on about this. It really does sound like someone is already using it the way it's got to be sorted out now.
The protest is the way to make things happen. If someone thinks it's being used,then get the money out and let nature take it's course. You'll either be vindicated,or look stupid...
I'm still at a bit of a loss to understand why we're still going on about this. It really does sound like someone is already using it the way it's got to be sorted out now.
The protest is the way to make things happen. If someone thinks it's being used,then get the money out and let nature take it's course. You'll either be vindicated,or look stupid...
redvictor said:
I'm still at a bit of a loss to understand why we're still going on about this. It really does sound like someone is already using it the way it's got to be sorted out now.
ok dont sort it out ....i actuly dont give a f
k ...if you all want to wait until its done for us and the option will probably be something you dont like go ahead, The reason I think its got to be sorted is as i said there are more cars using ECU that will be joining the class ANY of who CAN cheat, and its ILLEGAL
as there is only two of us currently in the class if someone is using it (as you repeatedly say, not me) it must be you cause it sure as f
k isnt me....Edited by Turbobird1 on Tuesday 9th October 19:56
Turbobird1 said:
as he said... its a drag race orientated ecu and the owner/company is very close to precision turbo who supply the spec turbos for nhra, id imagine the spec ecu would be this or a derivative of this,
If that was the case then we wouldn't be running pro mod unfortunately.So far there are 2 people in MSA pro mod using EFI.So either you Graham or myself are using it. This is what i can gather from this discussion.
Everyone else is blown or nitrous.
slinky said:
Careful now Graham.
It was you who started this topic, surely you must have something in mind that made you commence this line of discussion. I know for a fact that we have no TC enabled. I don't believe you have. So what leads us to this position?
dont careful me... It was you who started this topic, surely you must have something in mind that made you commence this line of discussion. I know for a fact that we have no TC enabled. I don't believe you have. So what leads us to this position?
Andy has said a couple of times now that i must think someone in the class already is using it
iv repeatedly said thats not the reason,
the reason is as iv said with the ecu becoming more popular in the class im not prepared to trust ANYONE not to cheat i want to KNOW there not cheating end of story...
over and out
Turbobird1 said:
ok dont sort it out ....i actuly dont give a fk ...if you all want to wait until its done for us and the option will probably be something you dont like go ahead,
The reason I think its got to be sorted is as i said there are more cars using ECU that will be joining the class ANY of who CAN cheat, and its ILLEGAL
as there is only two of us currently in the class if someone is using it (as you repeatedly say, not me) it must be you cause it sure as fk isnt me....
Easy tiger.... If you step back and look at what your posting you'd see that you're saying people like John and Chris/Spencer will be suspect cheaters.k ...if you all want to wait until its done for us and the option will probably be something you dont like go ahead, The reason I think its got to be sorted is as i said there are more cars using ECU that will be joining the class ANY of who CAN cheat, and its ILLEGAL
as there is only two of us currently in the class if someone is using it (as you repeatedly say, not me) it must be you cause it sure as f
k isnt me....Edited by Turbobird1 on Tuesday 9th October 19:56
That's what it looks like to me.
Why not ride with it,as i'm sure the guys mentioned are as dedicated as you and I,and wouldn't dream of doing something illegal...
trackday addict said:
Can we cut all the st out fellas and get it out on the table - who's suspecting who of using TC either now or in the past ?
That way we can understand how wide the issue is or isn't
There isn't one,but Graham thinks there could potentially be one, which i think is not possible with the people we're talking about imo.t out fellas and get it out on the table - who's suspecting who of using TC either now or in the past ? That way we can understand how wide the issue is or isn't
well john as i started the thread it must follow that im suspecting Andy of using TC,
iv told everyone here thats not the case, make of that what you like....
what i cant seem to get across is that unless you all want a control ecu then we better find a way that will apease the tech guys and OTHER RACERS Do you not all realize MG has studied all the downloads/manuals tech specs ect ect for these ECUs and thats out of his own mouth face to face...a year ago... you think no ones noticing whats going on??? realy????
with the FIA speed record held by a turbo car you think its being ignored,
iv told everyone here thats not the case, make of that what you like....
what i cant seem to get across is that unless you all want a control ecu then we better find a way that will apease the tech guys and OTHER RACERS Do you not all realize MG has studied all the downloads/manuals tech specs ect ect for these ECUs and thats out of his own mouth face to face...a year ago... you think no ones noticing whats going on??? realy????
with the FIA speed record held by a turbo car you think its being ignored,
Edited by Turbobird1 on Tuesday 9th October 20:18
prostang said:
How do the nhra police it
There is a spec ECU,which is the Big Stuff. The NHRA Tech guys know how to look inside to see if TC is enabled or not. If that happened here then i'd be out, because i'm not prepared to be told what i have to buy to run my own car.
Graham would be OK because he uses one.
Turbobird1 said:
well john as i started the thread it must follow that im suspecting Andy of using TC,
iv told everyone here thats not the case, make of that what you like....
what i cant seem to get across is that unless you all want a control ecu then we better find a way that will apease the tech guys and other racers Do you not all realize MG has studied all the downloads/manuals tech specs ect ect for these ECUs and thats out of his own mouth face to face...a year ago... you think no ones noticing whats going on??? realy
with the FIA speed record held by a turbo car you think its being ignored,
So,we need to ask the tech commitee what they need to know then.It's pretty simple if that is what you're asking. From there a plan is drawn up to find out how the tech guys can check every ECU that is used....iv told everyone here thats not the case, make of that what you like....
what i cant seem to get across is that unless you all want a control ecu then we better find a way that will apease the tech guys and other racers Do you not all realize MG has studied all the downloads/manuals tech specs ect ect for these ECUs and thats out of his own mouth face to face...a year ago... you think no ones noticing whats going on??? realy
with the FIA speed record held by a turbo car you think its being ignored,
I can't see what MG would have to do with it, particularly as in Europe the playing field is level. MPH means nothing, it's just a party number. ET is what wins,and turbo cars are way off in Europe.
redvictor said:
There is a spec ECU,which is the Big Stuff. The NHRA Tech guys know how to look inside to see if TC is enabled or not.
If that happened here then i'd be out, because i'm not prepared to be told what i have to buy to run my own car.
Graham would be OK because he uses one.
I thought graham had switched to motec ?If that happened here then i'd be out, because i'm not prepared to be told what i have to buy to run my own car.
Graham would be OK because he uses one.
Turbobird1 said:
i dont think 6.01 is way off its actually the seventh quickest car in europe
MG is the boss of speedgroup who administer the series and with its rules committee basically check and adjust the rules he is also a racer that understands that ECU based systems can have tc, MG is very driver orientated he beleives that the driver should DRIVE the car and he has behind him a machine that can make/or change the rules to ensure this remains a drivers class, why do you think we are not allowed auto shifters,
when its been legal in the states for a couple of years now??
Being seventh quickest doesn't really warrant calling the dogs out to me.MG is the boss of speedgroup who administer the series and with its rules committee basically check and adjust the rules he is also a racer that understands that ECU based systems can have tc, MG is very driver orientated he beleives that the driver should DRIVE the car and he has behind him a machine that can make/or change the rules to ensure this remains a drivers class, why do you think we are not allowed auto shifters,
when its been legal in the states for a couple of years now??
I know what MG does,and his thoughts on it too. I spoke with him about it.
What you're alluding to,and MG is then,is that if you have the capability of it then you MUST use it?
If you look at that in the cold hard light of day,then you're saying that anyone with a turbo car at some point will cheat if you don't do something about it?
Bearing in mind i'm looking from here,and not from your perspective.
I honestly think you're overplaying it. If however you and MG are adamant about tech guys being able to check,then let's do as i suggested,and ask the tech committee what they need to know about checking ECU's. There are only 2 as far as i'm aware. Motec and Big Stuff. Or does ML use something else?
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