Hamilton Rosberg Stats - Mercedes.

[TonyToniTone]

Hamilton Rosberg stats from their time at Mercedes.

78 races LH finished ahead 44 times and NR 33 with 1 race neither completed.
LH Out Qualified NR 42 to 36
LH had 7 DNFs and NR 6 DNFs
LH had 2 DNFs in Qualifying

Seem to recall channel 4 saying they had same amount of reliability issue's across all seasons..

In 2013 LH finished race ahead of NR 10 to 9, Qualifying LH 11 to NR 8
DNF LH 1 NR 2

In 2014 LH finished ahead of NR 12 to 7, Qualifying NR 12 to LH 7
DNF LH 3 NR 2, DNF Qualifying LH 1 NR 0

In 2015 LH Finished ahead of NR 12 to 7, Qualifying LH 12 to NR 7
DNF LH 1 NR 1

In 2016 both drivers finished ahead 10 times with 1 race neither completed, Qualifying LH 12 to NR 9
DNF LH 2 NR 1, DNF Qualifying LH 1 NR 0

Was going to add podiums, points and race wins but lost the will....

Race / Year	Finishing	Position	Qualifying	Position
2013	LH	NR	LHQ	NRQ
Australia	5	0	3	6	DNF
Malaysia	3	4	4	6
China	3	10	1	4
Bahrain	5	12	4	1
Spain	12	6	2	1
Monaco	4	1	2	1
Canada	3	5	2	4
Great Britain	4	1	1	2
Germany	5	9	1	11
Hungary	1	19	1	4	DNF
Belgium	3	4	1	4
Italy	9	6	12	6
Singapore	5	4	5	2
South Korea	5	7	2	5
Japan	0	8	3	6	DNF
India	6	2	3	2
Abu Dhabi	7	3	4	3
United States	4	9	5	14
Brazil	9	5	5	2
2014	LH	NR	LHQ	NRQ
Australia	0	1	1	3	DNF
Malaysia	1	2	1	3
Bahrain	1	2	2	1
China	1	2	1	4
Spain	1	2	1	2
Monaco	2	1	2	1
Canada	0	2	2	1	DNF
Austria	2	1	9	3
Great Britain	1	0	6	1	DNF
Germany	3	1	16	1
Hungary	3	4	0	1	DNFQ
Belgium	0	2	2	1	DNF
Italy	1	2	1	2
Singapore	1	0	1	2	DNF
Japan	1	2	2	1
Russia	1	2	1	2
United States	1	2	2	1
Brazil	2	1	2	1
Abu Dhabi	1	14	2	1
2015	LH	NR	LHQ	NRQ
Australia	1	2	1	2
Malaysia	2	3	1	3
China	1	2	1	2
Bahrain	1	3	1	3
Spain	2	1	2	1
Monaco	3	1	1	2
Canada	1	2	1	2
Austria	2	1	1	2
Great Britain	1	2	1	2
Hungary	6	8	1	2
Belgium	1	2	1	2
Italy	1	2	1	4
Singapore	0	6	5	6	DNF
Japan	1	2	2	1
Russia	1	0	2	1	DNF
United States	1	2	2	1
Mexico	2	1	2	1
Brazil	2	1	2	1
Abu Dhabi	2	1	2	1
2016	LH	NR	LHQ	NRQ
Australia	2	1	1	2
Bahrain	3	1	1	2
China	7	1	0	1	DNFQ
Russia	2	1	10	1
Spain	0	0	1	7	DNF
Monaco	1	7	3	2
Canada	1	5	1	2
Europe	5	1	10	1
Austria	1	4	1	2
Great Britain	1	3	1	2
Hungary	1	2	2	1
Germany	1	4	2	1
Belgium	3	1	21	1	-60 grid places
Italy	2	1	1	2
Singapore	3	1	3	1
Malaysia	0	3	1	2	DNF
Japan	3	1	2	1
United States	1	2	1	2
Mexico	1	2	1	2
Brazil	1	2	1	2
Abu Dhabi	1	2	1	2

Haven't double checked so might not be 100% accurate.

[tommunster10]

That's some nice stats to be showing your Grandkid's in the future Nico.

[anonymous-user]

We all know Lewis Hamilton is the better driver between himself and Rosberg.

Lewis just made it harder than it should have been.

[HustleRussell]

Thanks OP for the stats.

(Out before this turns into a tribal Hamilton vs. Rosberg slagging match)

[tommunster10]

It does make you question if in fact Webber could have been closer to Vettel had Reb Bull not adopted the status they did with the drivers, and just how much better was Micheal than his team mates, i doubt he was so far ahead as it was made to look via stats.
The Merc experiment proves why teams do have No1 and No2 status when there is some degree of competition though.
I think statistically that Merc was pretty bomb proof in F1 terms.

[37chevy]

I think what this does show is how small the gap is between the good and the great when both are given equal opportunities. I'd echo the sentiment that Webber would have been a lot closer to vettel given the chance. It would have been interesting to see how good schumachers team mates could have been given equal equipment too

[Mellow Yellow]

tommunster10 said:

It does make you question if in fact Webber could have been closer to Vettel had Reb Bull not adopted the status they did with the drivers, and just how much better was Micheal than his team mates, i doubt he was so far ahead as it was made to look via stats.
The Merc experiment proves why teams do have No1 and No2 status when there is some degree of competition though.
I think statistically that Merc was pretty bomb proof in F1 terms.

I suspect Eddie Irvine & Felipe Massa would've both been world champions for Ferrari had team orders not been employed almost from the beginning of the season, in favour of their number one driver. Instead they handed the championship to their rivals. Having said that, MS might not have hung around at Maranello had he been told to assist the Irishman in becoming the first Ferrari WC for over a decade.

[KevinCamaroSS]

I have always rated Webber as a better driver than Vettel. For Webber to actually make it to F1 from outback Australia is a tremendous achievement that proved he had the necessary skills. He was destined to always be a number 2 at Red Bull simply because he was not a Red Bull academy driver. Dr. Marko would never let a non-academy driver win or beat an academy driver over the season.

[tommunster10]

KevinCamaroSS said:

I have always rated Webber as a better driver than Vettel. For Webber to actually make it to F1 from outback Australia is a tremendous achievement that proved he had the necessary skills. He was destined to always be a number 2 at Red Bull simply because he was not a Red Bull academy driver. Dr. Marko would never let a non-academy driver win or beat an academy driver over the season.

Only he's not from the outback.

[thegreenhell]

Mellow Yellow said:

I suspect Eddie Irvine & Felipe Massa would've both been world champions for Ferrari had team orders not been employed almost from the beginning of the season, in favour of their number one driver. Instead they handed the championship to their rivals. Having said that, MS might not have hung around at Maranello had he been told to assist the Irishman in becoming the first Ferrari WC for over a decade.

Irvine was helped by MS in 99 when he came back after his injury by gifting a win in Malaysia to him. Had MS been able to beat Hakkinen in the final race then Irvine would have been a champion for Ferrari before Schumacher was. Conspiracy theorists might argue that MS did just enough to not beat Mika without it appearing too obvious.

[slf2012]

TonyToniTone said:

Hamilton Rosberg stats from their time at Mercedes.

78 races LH finished ahead 44 times and NR 33 with 1 race neither completed.
LH Out Qualified NR 42 to 36
LH had 7 DNFs and NR 6 DNFs
LH had 2 DNFs in Qualifying

Seem to recall channel 4 saying they had same amount of reliability issue's across all seasons..

In 2013 LH finished race ahead of NR 10 to 9, Qualifying LH 11 to NR 8
DNF LH 1 NR 2

In 2014 LH finished ahead of NR 12 to 7, Qualifying NR 12 to LH 7
DNF LH 3 NR 2, DNF Qualifying LH 1 NR 0

In 2015 LH Finished ahead of NR 12 to 7, Qualifying LH 12 to NR 7
DNF LH 1 NR 1

In 2016 both drivers finished ahead 10 times with 1 race neither completed, Qualifying LH 12 to NR 9
DNF LH 2 NR 1, DNF Qualifying LH 1 NR 0
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Massive respect for going through all the details, and documenting them here.

First of all, let me say I have no massive preference over whether Hamilton or Rosberg is the better driver, but I would put money on Hamilton if the two went head to head. That being said, I prefer Rosberg as a human being.....

By my calculations, 14% of the time when these two went head to head in the same car, Hamilton came out on top in the race, and it was 15% in Hamiltons favour in qualifying.

If we look at Senna/Prosts numbers from 1988/1989, Senna beat Prost 50% of the time in the races, and 88% of the time he was ahead in qualifying.

Looking back at Hamiltons points advantage over his team mates, he's only out scored them by about 4% over the years. Senna out scored his teammates by 56% over the years he was active.

When people talk about Hamilton being the best ever, and Rosberg being a journeyman who happened to be in the right car at the right time, it might be worth considering the points above. Hamilton has shown nowhere near the dominance over his team mates than Senna did, and when people continually put Rosberg down, they are effectively putting Hamilton down too.

[KevinCamaroSS]

tommunster10 said:

Only he's not from the outback.

Anywhere outside of Melbourne and Sidney is pretty much 'outback'. I know Queanbeyan is close to Canberra, but in terms of the Western world and F1/major racing series it is very outback.

[heebeegeetee]

slf2012 said:

If we look at Senna/Prosts numbers from 1988/1989, Senna beat Prost 50% of the time in the races,

Is that for overall victories? I haven't checked back but didn't Prost outpoint Senna both years, but under the point dropping system the one year he'd accrued so many thus had to drop so many that he wasn't champion?

[37chevy]

slf2012 said:

When people talk about Hamilton being the best ever, and Rosberg being a journeyman who happened to be in the right car at the right time, it might be worth considering the points above. Hamilton has shown nowhere near the dominance over his team mates than Senna did, and when people continually put Rosberg down, they are effectively putting Hamilton down too.

I don't think you can compare the eras like for like though.

1) there have never been team orders in Mercedes....doubt it was the same back in the day...im sure favourable parts went to the number 1 driver along with team orders.
2) reliability has been pretty good this year...back when senna was racing im sure reliability had more of an impact on your statistics
3) the difference between the good and great these days is tiny...a couple of tenths in the same car, everything is so analysed these days that its easy to make those set up changes or see where you are losing time against your teammate. go back to sennas day and it was more seat of your pants and the good drivers didn't have the computers to tell them where they were going wrong, so the great drivers stood out more.
4) everything was so much closer...there was more competition, so the greats won the races, the good ones finished off the podium....with the Mercedes, if you don't retire then you are pretty much guaranteed second