Old Hemi Daimler V8 - fuel injection?
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Hi Folks!
Does anybody know if fuel injection has ever been applied to the old Daimler V8 engines?
I fancy having a go on my old Mk2 250V8 (manual gearbox). Got a complete Rover V8 hot-wire system to play with. Just wondered if anyone has done this before? Can't seem to find anything on the net. Wondered if you drag racing guys know anything?
Cheers,
Dave
Does anybody know if fuel injection has ever been applied to the old Daimler V8 engines?
I fancy having a go on my old Mk2 250V8 (manual gearbox). Got a complete Rover V8 hot-wire system to play with. Just wondered if anyone has done this before? Can't seem to find anything on the net. Wondered if you drag racing guys know anything?
Cheers,
Dave
You're up early Steve! Actually, in this case, I'm not after blistering performance. Just fancied bringing my Sunday runabout up to date with maybe a touch more smoothness, reliability and economy plus maybe a tad of extra speed.
Can't seem to find anything on this in writing so maybe I'm on my own.
I think a new fangled manifold is required. Although the Rover V8 system can supply all the basic parts I need, the manifold has totally different inlet spacings to the Daimler and to my mind doesn't look that efficient anyway. Granted it is an improvement on the original Rover carb set up (as far as the production cars are concerned) but the injectors seem to actually block off the inlet tract? Also, whilst the plenum box and stacks might be well thought out, the actual runners seem a bit twisty. Suppose its always a problem with a V8 when you are constrained by it having to sit under a low bonnet.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
Can't seem to find anything on this in writing so maybe I'm on my own.
I think a new fangled manifold is required. Although the Rover V8 system can supply all the basic parts I need, the manifold has totally different inlet spacings to the Daimler and to my mind doesn't look that efficient anyway. Granted it is an improvement on the original Rover carb set up (as far as the production cars are concerned) but the injectors seem to actually block off the inlet tract? Also, whilst the plenum box and stacks might be well thought out, the actual runners seem a bit twisty. Suppose its always a problem with a V8 when you are constrained by it having to sit under a low bonnet.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
You'll have to find somewhere to physically install the injectors and get fuel to them and I have no idea how easy or hard that will be on this engine. Whatever engine management system you use will need to be mapped to suit the engine, so make sure that you choose one that you can map yourself or are prepared to pay a professional to map for you. I only know a handful of people who can map the hotwire system, and they're all very busy and can afford to charge handsomely for their time.
there was, of course, a very famous daimler hemi powered rail owned by Russ Carpenter, but there were others...
http://www.ukdrn.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&...
http://www.ukdrn.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&...
GreenV8S said:
You'll have to find somewhere to physically install the injectors and get fuel to them and I have no idea how easy or hard that will be on this engine. Whatever engine management system you use will need to be mapped to suit the engine, so make sure that you choose one that you can map yourself or are prepared to pay a professional to map for you. I only know a handful of people who can map the hotwire system, and they're all very busy and can afford to charge handsomely for their time.
Hi Mate, Thanks for your contribution. Yep. you're right, I am starting from first principles here. The engine itself is a standard 90 degree V8 so, even though it's ancient, surely we can apply something up to update it in the way of induction? Why am I bothering? Well, I've got a really original manual box Daimler 250 V8 from 1967, really solid, but I just fancy bringing it up to date, not a drag racer but just a modern, economical version of a lovely old car?!! There seem to be a few guys getting on board now, so can we all meet on Technical - Engines & Drivetrains please. veryoldfart said:
there was, of course, a very famous daimler hemi powered rail owned by Russ Carpenter, but there were others...
http://www.ukdrn.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&...
Thanks Mate, Will be looking at all these sites! Lets meet on my other thread on thread on Technical/ engines & drivetrains. Cheers, Dave.http://www.ukdrn.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&...
veryoldfart said:
Thanks Friend, Yep, am up to speed with the various Turner V8's. Have considered shoving in a 4.5 if I could get one. But that's not the point. I really fancy updating the old 2.5. Might consider reboring it for some extra capacity but my whole focus is on proviing it with some modern induction. Thanks anyway!...and if you need a car to put it in:
http://www.britishv8.org/Other/SteveSanett.htm
There again, maybe not
Phil
http://www.britishv8.org/Other/SteveSanett.htm
There again, maybe not
Phil
Transmitter Man said:
Sorry, I've just come...Jon C said:
Transmitter Man said:
Sorry, I've just come...I would have thought that one of those colonial Hillborne or similar systems would be well suited to such a regal motor.
Keeping with the British theme, I don't think a Wal Philips Fuel Injector will have the right effect.
And do not go for Lucas MAE injection, please noooooo
Coming up to date, a set of nice throttle bodies and a DTA management system would do the biz.
Keeping with the British theme, I don't think a Wal Philips Fuel Injector will have the right effect.
And do not go for Lucas MAE injection, please noooooo
Coming up to date, a set of nice throttle bodies and a DTA management system would do the biz.
IF you have a little time and patience then by this time next year I hope to be in a position to supply a complete fuel injection package!
Presently re commissioning a 1963 SP250 which has had a full engine rebuild. Just finalising conversion to rack and pinion steering and once that is satisfactory fuel injection is next on the list......Already have an accurate 3D scan of existing manifold and intend to utilise a pair of motorcycle throttle bodies. Intentions are to offer two packages, one with direct to head down draught approach and the second a bespoke cast manifold to retain perhaps a little more conventional appearance under the bonnet! Obviously these packages are intended for either SP or V8 250 saloon. The Daimler V8 has cried out for such a development releasing it's full potential and building further upon it's already wonderfully smooth and free revving power delivery!
All the development work will be conducted in conjunction with a Dyno facility details of which will be revealed closer to the point of release. For the bespoke manifold I'll be looking for as many potential orders as possible to secure a favourable rate for production.
If yourself , or any other potential interested parties, would like to know more on the progress then please do let me have an email contact.
Watch this space....Regards Mark Hemingway.
Presently re commissioning a 1963 SP250 which has had a full engine rebuild. Just finalising conversion to rack and pinion steering and once that is satisfactory fuel injection is next on the list......Already have an accurate 3D scan of existing manifold and intend to utilise a pair of motorcycle throttle bodies. Intentions are to offer two packages, one with direct to head down draught approach and the second a bespoke cast manifold to retain perhaps a little more conventional appearance under the bonnet! Obviously these packages are intended for either SP or V8 250 saloon. The Daimler V8 has cried out for such a development releasing it's full potential and building further upon it's already wonderfully smooth and free revving power delivery!
All the development work will be conducted in conjunction with a Dyno facility details of which will be revealed closer to the point of release. For the bespoke manifold I'll be looking for as many potential orders as possible to secure a favourable rate for production.
If yourself , or any other potential interested parties, would like to know more on the progress then please do let me have an email contact.
Watch this space....Regards Mark Hemingway.
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