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crolandc said:
rb5230 said:
Well i`m no expert as you guys seem to be but looks like a typr-r to me.
You got that right, the first bit.
Aint you the clever one.Are all your contributions to the forums so helpful and full of wisdom as this one?
Oops it would seem I am wrong you really are not full of any sort of wisdom are you, and a retired mechanic too? Obviously a pretty dire one.
crolandc said:
Hi, my car E46 is 8 now and never been regassed! where would be the best place to get this done? Mains dealer or where? thanks for any advice.Cliff.
Edited by rb5230 on Tuesday 28th June 17:18
Grovsie26 said:
Says the guy spouting off about scooby's in a thread about Honda's.
Did it really upset you that i had the ordacity to suggest another car? Has it caused you a big issue for some reason? Like i said before this is Pistonheads, not Hondaloverboysuk.com so if you dont like it perhaps a Honda only forum would be better suited to you.Grovsie26 said:
Next time you suggest something at least make it slighty similar.
Or suggest a hummer next time?
Really you dont think they are at all comparable? Both quick jap cars, yes one is quicker and grippier and in similar price ranges.Or suggest a hummer next time?
Or do you really think a hummer is closer?
Perhaps I should suggest a dc5 as anything else just wont be similar enough for you, and why do u seem to think I would i do that to please you who is not even the op, so what does it even have to do with you?
Are you just trolling for the sake of it?
Grovsie26 said:
No i don't think there comparable, other than costs to buy. The actual car, body shape, and running costs are totally different.
"totally different" Yes the car is different as would be any other car suggested, good spot there.
How is the bodyshape different? They do a 2door coupe version too you know.
And i would love to know why you dont think running costs are similar, any experience?
Oh good grief, give it a rest, both of you!
1) A 'good' Scooby will be more expensive to run as (a) you've got 2x the # of driveshafts and lots more diffs etc.; (b) It's turbocharged, which = more parts to break (& besides, Hondas up to early-00s were still VERY reliable - even more so than the pretty-good Subarus). Plus the engine's location means any work on the engine involves lots of labour; and (c) economy will be woeful, insurance will be more, and tyres will need more frequent replacement. I'll refrain from mentioning cast bottom-ends failing repeatedly...
2) A 'good' Scooby will be quicker point-to-point than a DC2 or 5. No argument, it will. Whether it's more fun depends on how you like to drive - the ITRs are scalpels, the Scooby's tend to understeer which then has to be countered with an ankle-ful of throttle (even the P1/22B/Type-Rs do this, albeit not as much).
3) The Scoobys, as mentioned, DO give you more options though, and the 3 I've highlighted are excellent machines - an 'ordinary' UKDM STi isvery quick and very good fun but not in the same league in terms of involvement as either the spec-edition Scoobys or the ITRs.
4) I own a DC2. I'd seriously consider any of the 3 Scooby's mentioned if I was a little more mechanically minded and had less of an aversion to turbo-lag. I'd not turn away a DC5 if I was given it, esp. not if I wanted to do trackdays in the car. I'd probably not bother with a stock STi unless I wanted something quick and relatively comfy. For me, the slowest car mentioned is the most fun though...my opinions are very much just my own!
1) A 'good' Scooby will be more expensive to run as (a) you've got 2x the # of driveshafts and lots more diffs etc.; (b) It's turbocharged, which = more parts to break (& besides, Hondas up to early-00s were still VERY reliable - even more so than the pretty-good Subarus). Plus the engine's location means any work on the engine involves lots of labour; and (c) economy will be woeful, insurance will be more, and tyres will need more frequent replacement. I'll refrain from mentioning cast bottom-ends failing repeatedly...
2) A 'good' Scooby will be quicker point-to-point than a DC2 or 5. No argument, it will. Whether it's more fun depends on how you like to drive - the ITRs are scalpels, the Scooby's tend to understeer which then has to be countered with an ankle-ful of throttle (even the P1/22B/Type-Rs do this, albeit not as much).
3) The Scoobys, as mentioned, DO give you more options though, and the 3 I've highlighted are excellent machines - an 'ordinary' UKDM STi isvery quick and very good fun but not in the same league in terms of involvement as either the spec-edition Scoobys or the ITRs.
4) I own a DC2. I'd seriously consider any of the 3 Scooby's mentioned if I was a little more mechanically minded and had less of an aversion to turbo-lag. I'd not turn away a DC5 if I was given it, esp. not if I wanted to do trackdays in the car. I'd probably not bother with a stock STi unless I wanted something quick and relatively comfy. For me, the slowest car mentioned is the most fun though...my opinions are very much just my own!
havoc said:
1) A 'good' Scooby will be more expensive to run as (a) you've got 2x the # of driveshafts and lots more diffs etc.; (b) It's turbocharged, which = more parts to break (& besides, Hondas up to early-00s were still VERY reliable - even more so than the pretty-good Subarus). Plus the engine's location means any work on the engine involves lots of labour; and (c) economy will be woeful, insurance will be more, and tyres will need more frequent replacement. I'll refrain from mentioning cast bottom-ends failing repeatedly...
Fair post, but i had to comment on this part.I find it hard to believe that many performance cars are much cheaper to run than a well maintained impreza, although a poorly maintained one I am sure could throw up some problems but then surely this is true of any performance car?
I can only base it on my own experience.
The cambelt every 4 years may be more frequent than some but in 2 years all i have had to do with mine is 1 full fluid and filter service and 2 oil services, a set of uprated pads and discs all round (the ones that came with the car were past their best) and a set of tyres which still look brand new (only changed tyres because I was not fond of the Kumhos it came with).
All of these things could have been done on any performance car if it was to be kept up to scratch.
I average around 25mpg and an RB5 is 3 insurance groups lower than a DC5.
I just dont see how many decent cars would have cost me much less to run and keep tip top.
In 3 1/2 years running a (now 12y.o.) DC2, I've spent the following over 27k miles:-
4x tyres
2x front pads
2x rear discs and pads
6x oil and filter changes, inc. 3x 'proper' services at main dealer
1x rocker cover gasket (some fool cross-threaded one of the bolts in the past)
2x RTA bushes
2x rear hubs (bearings going)
...and the last item was only done in the last few months. It's on 71k, still on original clutch and had nothing other than regular servicing done to it prior to me purchasing it. Averages ~28-29mpg in my ownership, and I cruise at 90mph indicated and regularly use VTEC - someone more sensitive/sensible would get early-30s easily.
This is typical for an ITR, and is why some people on here are saying the DC5 would be cheap to run...because the components are all thoroughly (over-)engineered to start with!
4x tyres
2x front pads
2x rear discs and pads
6x oil and filter changes, inc. 3x 'proper' services at main dealer
1x rocker cover gasket (some fool cross-threaded one of the bolts in the past)
2x RTA bushes
2x rear hubs (bearings going)
...and the last item was only done in the last few months. It's on 71k, still on original clutch and had nothing other than regular servicing done to it prior to me purchasing it. Averages ~28-29mpg in my ownership, and I cruise at 90mph indicated and regularly use VTEC - someone more sensitive/sensible would get early-30s easily.
This is typical for an ITR, and is why some people on here are saying the DC5 would be cheap to run...because the components are all thoroughly (over-)engineered to start with!
Decibel said:
hey guys, what is the C-Pack?
From memory..Rear Tints,
Rear Wiper
Folding Mirrors
Starter Button.
I believe theres also A & B backs - basially a mish mash of the items above. For example, some cars will have rear wiper and tints but none of other items, others will have starter button, mirrors but nothing else.
Typically from what i saw when i was looking at DC5's, the majority of them have C packs.
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