NSX Type R. The RHD White One

[Scousefella]

aussiensxr said:

Scousefella said:

And just to prove that a not so dainty Neanderthal Scouser can fit behind the wheel.............

It seems it's just the standard NSX steering wheel? I thought NSX-R had the momo steering wheel:




All the NSX-R I have come across have the momo wheel and iirc there was no options regarding the steering wheel in the catalogue...


Is it really an authentic NA2 NSX-R? How does one tell just from the exterior?

This car was imported into the UK by Honda themselves - it is a 100% NA2-R

[ju5t1n]

Did UK imported ones not come with the momo steering wheel?

[EskimoArapaho]

ju5t1n said:

Did UK imported ones not come with the momo steering wheel?

Perhaps Honda had to slap on the standard airbag type to get the car registered?

[Thunder18]

hondansx said:

Probably the one built by an Irish Jap car importer/tuner. There are loads of giveaways that it's not genuine; lack of white headlights, huge panel gaps, interior etc.

Yes, you can get an NA1 NSX-R for cheaper. Hard to put a price on a mint one, but you're talking about £70k for one (not including import fees).

There is a facelift NSX-R now for sale in Japan for £154k - a relative bargain compared to the one up for £204k!

Just for interest I suppose..... http://www.icetronix.com/gallery/nsx-3-0-v2
This widebody treatment was pretty nice I thought... http://www.icetronix.com/gallery/nsx-3-2-widebody
But I would probably never venture near these "Honda Specialists"....
http://typeaccord.co.uk/forum/topic/17005-hey-guys...

[Scousefella]

EskimoArapaho said:

ju5t1n said:

Did UK imported ones not come with the momo steering wheel?

Perhaps Honda had to slap on the standard airbag type to get the car registered?

That would make plenty of sense.

[dobly]

When ordering an NA2 NSX-R in Japan, there was an extensive option list - radio, airbags, air con etc. etc. The lightest cars had none of these, but most were ordered with creature comforts, hence the Honda UK car has radio, aircon, airbag.

There was also a customisation programme - for colours etc. Not all are Championship White - I have seen red, silver, black, blue. Wheel colour could also be specified - white, silver, dark or black, as could seats and carpet (red or black).

Currently available selection : http://kuruma-ex.jp/usedcar/search/result/maker/HO... (change the third selection box on the left to 3.2) and here: http://www.route-ks.com/stock/index.html

Edited by dobly on Tuesday 16th September 20:54

Edited by dobly on Wednesday 17th September 05:59

Edited by dobly on Tuesday 27th January 22:28

[Mezzanine]

IIRC Flemke has one of these?

Or had one at some point...

[aussiensxr]

dobly said:

When ordering an NA2 NSX-R in Japan, there was an extensive option list - radio, airbags, air con etc. etc. The lightest cars had none of these, but most were ordered with creature comforts, hence the Honda UK car has radio, aircon, airbag.

There was also a customisation programme - for colours etc. Not all are Championship White - I have seen silver, black, blue. Wheel colour could also be specified - white, silver, dark or black, as could seats and carpet (red or black).

Currently available selection : http://kuruma-ex.jp/usedcar/search/result/maker/HO... (change the third selection box on the left to 3.2) and here: http://www.route-ks.com/stock/index.html

Edited by dobly on Tuesday 16th September 20:54

Edited by dobly on Wednesday 17th September 05:59

I was aware of the different colours/wheels available but didn't know you could add radio, airbags, air con etc. It's interesting that you point out that most have been ordered with these creature comforts, it seems a little illogical. Wouldn't doing so defeat the purpose of Honda stripping it out in the first place to keep the weight down? Wouldn't it be cheaper if one just bought the standard NSX?

[Stu R]

Mezzanine said:

IIRC Flemke has one of these?

Or had one at some point...

Just a regular one iirc

[dobly]

Yes aussiensxr - it would be a whole heap cheaper, but you would be missing out on the Type-R magic, and a whole load of unique components, such as blue-printed, hand matched engine bits, special suspension components, light-weight carpets, seats, etc. etc.

See this excellent write up from the NSX Club Europe for much, much more: http://nsxclubeurope.com/about-nsx/nsx-r/technolog... - there are 10 pages of detail relating to the '02+!!

The 3.0l Type R was available from '92 to '96, so for buyers who wanted a track-oriented machine once the 3.2l engine was introduced, there was the Type S Zero, available from '97-'01 Only the Type S Zero model wasn't available with the radio as an option. The earliest S Zeros had no aircon, later cars had it as an option.

The number of cars we are talking about is very small too.

The MINIMUM weights for the various cars is as follows:

NA1 3.0l Type R 1230kg - ~460 cars
NA2 3.2l Type S Zero 1270kg - ~50 cars
NA2 3.2l Type R (02+) 1270kg - ~140 cars

adding aircon, airbags, radio, etc. added 20-50 kg depending on options.

NA1 3.0l regular coupe 1350kg
NA2 3.2l regular coupe 1390-1400kg depending on year.

Edited by dobly on Friday 19th September 02:26

Edited by dobly on Friday 19th September 02:29

Edited by dobly on Wednesday 5th November 07:13

[Derek Chevalier]

dobly said:

Yes aussiensxr - it would be a whole heap cheaper, but you would be missing out on the Type-R magic, and a whole load of unique components, such as blue-printed, hand matched engine bits, special suspension components, light-weight carpets, seats, etc. etc.

See this excellent write up from the NSX Club Europe for much, much more: http://nsxclubeurope.com/about-nsx/nsx-r/technolog... - there are 10 pages of detail relating to the '02+!!

The 3.0l Type R was available from '92 to '96, so for buyers who wanted a track-oriented machine there was the Type S Zero, available from '97-'01 Only the Type S Zero model wasn't available with the radio as an option. The earliest S Zeros had no aircon, later cars had it as an option.

The number of cars we are talking about is very small too.

The MINIMUM weights for the various cars is as follows:

NA1 3.0l Type R 1230kg - ~460 cars
NA2 3.2l Type S Zero 1270kg - ~50 cars
NA2 3.2l Type R (02+) 1270kg - ~140 cars

adding aircon, airbags, radio, etc. added 20-50 kg depending on options.

NA1 3.0l regular coupe 1350kg
NA2 3.2l regular coupe 1390-1400kg depending on year.

Edited by dobly on Friday 19th September 02:26

Edited by dobly on Friday 19th September 02:29

02+ is around 1360kg according to the link above. Ditch the spare wheel, jack, engine cover, and fit a non boat anchor exhaust and should be able to get nearer 1320.

[fullleather]

Can anyone confirm the actual power output for the type-r variant? you would expect the 3.2 to produce around 360bhp, I am guessing it's nowhere near that?

[Gompo]

fullleather said:

Can anyone confirm the actual power output for the type-r variant? you would expect the 3.2 to produce around 360bhp, I am guessing it's nowhere near that?

You'd really expect that? Would be good but anything more than 340 would be good going I reckon! Fairly sure Honda have never said anything other than the original numbers, and from other sources would just be hearsay. I'd like experience the VTEC in a large(r) capacity, especially something stretched more than the regular NSX.

[EskimoArapaho]

No chance of 360bhp from a stock 3.2 NSX-R engine. Stroked to 3.5 litres, there's a chance of that sort of output.

[silver surfer]

fullleather said:

Can anyone confirm the actual power output for the type-r variant? you would expect the 3.2 to produce around 360bhp, I am guessing it's nowhere near that?

Actual output is around 290-300 bhp...the gearbox gearing + lighter weight makes it faster than expected....this is a 1998 spec engine.
Compare this to the E46 M3 from 2001 with 3.2l engine which produced 338bhp and also rev'd up to 8000rpm. (at the time was described as the highest NA output).

SS

[fullleather]

With Honda and its Witchcraft VTEC I have always wondered why the NSX lump didn't make 120bhp per litre yet the smaller engines did? Porsche did it their way for the gt3's using Variocam, yes they cost more I know but Honda could surely have upped the stakes?

[Scousefella]

fullleather said:

With Honda and its Witchcraft VTEC I have always wondered why the NSX lump didn't make 120bhp per litre yet the smaller engines did? Porsche did it their way for the gt3's using Variocam, yes they cost more I know but Honda could surely have upped the stakes?

The "Agreement" between the Japanese manufacturers was to keep power output to 276bhp maximum.

The RB26DETT is a monster lump but Nissan were only able to farm it out in its less powerful state.

The 3.0 and 3.2 V6 engines for the NSX could well have been upped to much bigger figures but that would have been un-gentleman like.

[EskimoArapaho]

fullleather said:

With Honda and its Witchcraft VTEC I have always wondered why the NSX lump didn't make 120bhp per litre yet the smaller engines did? Porsche did it their way for the gt3's using Variocam, yes they cost more I know but Honda could surely have upped the stakes?

At the time of launch, the NSX engine was one of the earliest VTEC engines (maybe even the first developed). So perhaps bhp goals were more modest than for the later smaller engines.

Then NSX sales volumes were lousy and Honda did not think the answer was significantly more power. So the engine was barely developed in the whole 15yr lifespan. The good news is that the NSX engine will run for >200,000m without requiring rebuild.

[fullleather]

Hmm, yes I remember this '280 bhp and 180kph' maximum malarkey for Japan.....sad that it did indeed affect non-turbo charged engines far more....

[Derek Chevalier]

EskimoArapaho said:

fullleather said:

With Honda and its Witchcraft VTEC I have always wondered why the NSX lump didn't make 120bhp per litre yet the smaller engines did? Porsche did it their way for the gt3's using Variocam, yes they cost more I know but Honda could surely have upped the stakes?

At the time of launch, the NSX engine was one of the earliest VTEC engines (maybe even the first developed). So perhaps bhp goals were more modest than for the later smaller engines.

Then NSX sales volumes were lousy and Honda did not think the answer was significantly more power. So the engine was barely developed in the whole 15yr lifespan. The good news is that the NSX engine will run for >200,000m without requiring rebuild.

Think it was 100% down to gentlemen's agreement - the setup is hardly optimised as can be evidenced by changing the exhaust and getting another ~15bhp.

Some of the press cars certainly had more than 276bhp.