integra type r appreciating? future classic
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dandc2 said:
SidewaysSi said:
Indeed , the lack of racing heritage is an issue if you are looking for significant appreciation. I can see them going the way of 205 GTIs or E30 325s for instance which have steadily increased but probably not enough to offset running costs in the majority of cases.
Saying all this, as a driver's car, is it better than the E30 M3 and 205? I could make a strong argument for it being harder and more special than both.
Mine is my practical car, used at weekends only but used and enjoyed. It is a cared for example which gets everything it needs. Lovely car to drive and still special after 5 years of ownership. Is there anything this side of a 996 GT3 which offers the same focus?
I do need to change it pretty soon but I honestly don't know what to get and much as I have thought of many different cars, I know nothing for remotely the same price bracket will give me the same blend of fun and reliability.
Here is mine - it always seems to be worth a lot more than its actual monetary value:
nice model,love the origional wheels.Bow many miles on her?Saying all this, as a driver's car, is it better than the E30 M3 and 205? I could make a strong argument for it being harder and more special than both.
Mine is my practical car, used at weekends only but used and enjoyed. It is a cared for example which gets everything it needs. Lovely car to drive and still special after 5 years of ownership. Is there anything this side of a 996 GT3 which offers the same focus?
I do need to change it pretty soon but I honestly don't know what to get and much as I have thought of many different cars, I know nothing for remotely the same price bracket will give me the same blend of fun and reliability.
Here is mine - it always seems to be worth a lot more than its actual monetary value:
Edited by SidewaysSi on Saturday 11th January 12:16
Havoc, as you mentioned, it would be a tough call between this and an E30. The fact the Honda is lighter and seemingly more rigid would make a strong case for it to be the harder, sharper driver's car. Of course, being front drive would mark it down in many people's eyes. I ran a 205GTI for 4 years as a daily and in comparison, whilst the two cars are quite different, it would be a tough call as to which I have enjoyed owning the most.
I am with you on competition history - whilst the ITR has some history, it is not a homologation special and therefore lacks the competition link that the E30, 190 Cosworth, Integrale and Sierra enjoy which rightly makes them incredibly sought after and pushes prices ever higher.
Edited by SidewaysSi on Sunday 12th January 19:01
BrotherMouzone said:
SidewaysSi said:
Here is mine - it always seems to be worth a lot more than its actual monetary value.
+111111 Mine too!! By the way I love your S160, rare and the best colour!R26.R is the only FWD performance car that I’d consider to replace the DC2, though not at £17k!
Mine at Goodwood queuing:
My S160 is a lovely car and thanks for the kind words - it's pretty hardcore but even it has elements of its dynamic ability where it can't touch the Honda...
The values have been slipping on them, they are certainly quite a bit less than they were when I bought my first one 3 years ago with prices dropping proportionally more on the imports than the UK models. The old adage of an import being cleaner with lower mileage is rubbish, most of the 96-spec imports you see for sale are really quite rusty - the only real cost area when it comes to owning one as they rot horribly in specific places. UK models still offer the best value for money, superior to a 96-spec and often the same or less money.
Uk spec - 187bhp de tuned to 95ron fuel
JDM spec - 197bhp origional jap.car ecu was factory tuned to run super goving.it higher bhp.
They are equipt with the jdm spec lights which in honesty is the "REAL" integra type r look,thats how they were made,98 spec from japan came with all extras that any other 98spec came with (stainless header,uprated suspension,bigger wheels n brakes etc).
The real gem to have is an origional jdm,uk spec are a varient of the origional,only worth more in the uk.
There are 1000's of mint condition low mileage models left in japan being auctioned all the time,most cars mileage can be accounted for as the car goes through government mot style testing where mileage is recorded.
The type rx from year 2000 was the pick of the bunch,only available from japan,had reworked cranksaft and drivesahfts,hubs all uprated from honda.
JDM spec - 197bhp origional jap.car ecu was factory tuned to run super goving.it higher bhp.
They are equipt with the jdm spec lights which in honesty is the "REAL" integra type r look,thats how they were made,98 spec from japan came with all extras that any other 98spec came with (stainless header,uprated suspension,bigger wheels n brakes etc).
The real gem to have is an origional jdm,uk spec are a varient of the origional,only worth more in the uk.
There are 1000's of mint condition low mileage models left in japan being auctioned all the time,most cars mileage can be accounted for as the car goes through government mot style testing where mileage is recorded.
The type rx from year 2000 was the pick of the bunch,only available from japan,had reworked cranksaft and drivesahfts,hubs all uprated from honda.
dandc2 said:
Uk spec - 187bhp de tuned to 95ron fuel
JDM spec - 197bhp origional jap.car ecu was factory tuned to run super goving.it higher bhp.
They are equipt with the jdm spec lights which in honesty is the "REAL" integra type r look,thats how they were made,98 spec from japan came with all extras that any other 98spec came with (stainless header,uprated suspension,bigger wheels n brakes etc).
The real gem to have is an origional jdm,uk spec are a varient of the origional,only worth more in the uk.
There are 1000's of mint condition low mileage models left in japan being auctioned all the time,most cars mileage can be accounted for as the car goes through government mot style testing where mileage is recorded.
The type rx from year 2000 was the pick of the bunch,only available from japan,had reworked cranksaft and drivesahfts,hubs all uprated from honda.
Why the UK hate?JDM spec - 197bhp origional jap.car ecu was factory tuned to run super goving.it higher bhp.
They are equipt with the jdm spec lights which in honesty is the "REAL" integra type r look,thats how they were made,98 spec from japan came with all extras that any other 98spec came with (stainless header,uprated suspension,bigger wheels n brakes etc).
The real gem to have is an origional jdm,uk spec are a varient of the origional,only worth more in the uk.
There are 1000's of mint condition low mileage models left in japan being auctioned all the time,most cars mileage can be accounted for as the car goes through government mot style testing where mileage is recorded.
The type rx from year 2000 was the pick of the bunch,only available from japan,had reworked cranksaft and drivesahfts,hubs all uprated from honda.
The power difference is all in the exhaust not the ECU, they aren't mapped for 95 (98ron only for UK's), the only ECU difference is that the UK has an imobiliser.
Change the UK manifold, cat and B-pipe for a 98 spec system, fit the JDM 16s (UK has 15inch wheels) and swap the wooden boot floor for the plastic JDM item and mechanically you pretty much have a factory undersealed 98JDM with air-con and ABS.
The RX doesn't have 'reworked crankshaft and driveshafts' or 'uprated hubs', an RX is a fully loaded last of the line 98 spec. They had electric door mirrors, keyless entry and tinted rear windows over a UK spec.
The UK retains the styling of the original concept, it is the 1996 onward JDM that had the facelift (in time for the Type-R) as the Japanese consumer preferred a more conservatively styled car, the UK/EU/US Integra is a bit more marmite but neither is exactly a looker anyway, although the UK foglight install is pretty gash.
Also a UK car is often cheaper and easier to insure and cheaper for tyres too. Fresh imports are hard to come by now, though they will be cleaner/less rusty.
IMO Buy the straightest and least rusty Integra you can, 98/96/UK whatever, buy on condition only.
Although having said that, the pick for me would be a standard 96 spec JDM with no ABS or air-con and in immaculate condition.
king ugly though.
havoc said:
ITRs are there for using. Cherishing, sure...but they're not a car for storing - they'll never be megabucks.
Revisiting an old thread I noticed this.My, what a difference 10 years can make.
Bought a '96 spec Championship White JDM ITR in 2008, as a sister car to my other one which was a homologated race car which I used for 16 years in competitive motorsport, firstly in tarmac rally (Targa New Zealand), and then circuit racing (Motul Honda Cup NZ - 2nd place in Championship 2021), finally selling it in 2022 when I retired from racing.
That car went through its original B18CR (8 years), a K20a swap (5 years), and a K24 swap (3 years), all engines unmodified factory engines and all 100% reliable.
I still own the unmodified street spec car, with 90,000kms odo, and in perfect condition, currently valued at approx 400% of purchase price.
An amazing car, the DC2 ITR!
Audidude said:
Revisiting an old thread I noticed this.
My, what a difference 10 years can make.
Bought a '96 spec Championship White JDM ITR in 2008, as a sister car to my other one which was a homologated race car which I used for 16 years in competitive motorsport, firstly in tarmac rally (Targa New Zealand), and then circuit racing (Motul Honda Cup NZ - 2nd place in Championship 2021), finally selling it in 2022 when I retired from racing.
That car went through its original B18CR (8 years), a K20a swap (5 years), and a K24 swap (3 years), all engines unmodified factory engines and all 100% reliable.
I still own the unmodified street spec car, with 90,000kms odo, and in perfect condition, currently valued at approx 400% of purchase price.
An amazing car, the DC2 ITR!
I still have mine from when i bought in back in 2008 2nd hand. Lovely carsMy, what a difference 10 years can make.
Bought a '96 spec Championship White JDM ITR in 2008, as a sister car to my other one which was a homologated race car which I used for 16 years in competitive motorsport, firstly in tarmac rally (Targa New Zealand), and then circuit racing (Motul Honda Cup NZ - 2nd place in Championship 2021), finally selling it in 2022 when I retired from racing.
That car went through its original B18CR (8 years), a K20a swap (5 years), and a K24 swap (3 years), all engines unmodified factory engines and all 100% reliable.
I still own the unmodified street spec car, with 90,000kms odo, and in perfect condition, currently valued at approx 400% of purchase price.
An amazing car, the DC2 ITR!
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