Anyone driven the R yet?
Discussion
HayesDC2 said:
I'm not sure of the specifics but it's something along the lines of they check to see you have £x in your bank to pay the excess. Plus it's probably a handy way of filtering out the people that will never be able to afford the car and are just going to take up the slot of a genuine customer.
I imagine something you sign beforehand will say that in thte event of an accident you need to pay an excess.
What?I imagine something you sign beforehand will say that in thte event of an accident you need to pay an excess.
Never, ever ever have I had anything like this.
Had my test drive yesterday, wasnt asked for a deposit or anything like that. Was asked about my driving history/cars etc.
This is what i said on CTRO
[i]was going to do a quick multi paragraphed review of it but id just get csb and so cba.
it reminded me of a grown up integra dc5. If i wanted the teg back, id press the R+ button but id be more inclined to leave it in standard as i already have a rock hard car and that sh-t gets tiresome on a daily.
Gearbox doesnt feel as tight as the dc5, in that the teg felt alot closer and snicked through the gears alot quicker. Though this CTR is alot quicker to go through the gears than my GT3 (or im just sh-t at changing gear in the GT3?). Loved the power delivery though not sure about the shift light indicator as started to find it abit to distracting, im sure once ou get used to it, its not to bad.
Only negatives from me are the sh-t red strip on the rims, works on the white but not on the blue and found the cockpit quite wide - i much prefer a 'cramped' cockpit. Felt alot wider than the DC5/GT3 though ive not compared dimensions.
Unfortunately it was pissing it down when i went out but the salesman was happy for me to take it where ever and what not. Couldnt take it down my favourite local lane as Police had closed it so took it down another one, was very 'fast/quick' and compliant. Didnt throw it around too much as not my car plus rain etc but felt good.
For the poor amongst us (haha peasants), 10% deposit on a non-Gt was £500pcm and 20% was £400pcm on a 3 year pcp deal. (basically 21k over 3, 7k a year) the the gfv was around £13k.
Apparently there is only 33 blues left in the system to be sold and if you want grey, i believe they restart painting them in November ready for a new year delivery. Non-Gt's (pending on colour) can be had quicker. Think i was offered a blue one for 6th September. Or was offered to spec one up, non-Gt as the dealer is looking to get one in for the show room. Then i could have that or turn it down.[/i]
This is what i said on CTRO
[i]was going to do a quick multi paragraphed review of it but id just get csb and so cba.
it reminded me of a grown up integra dc5. If i wanted the teg back, id press the R+ button but id be more inclined to leave it in standard as i already have a rock hard car and that sh-t gets tiresome on a daily.
Gearbox doesnt feel as tight as the dc5, in that the teg felt alot closer and snicked through the gears alot quicker. Though this CTR is alot quicker to go through the gears than my GT3 (or im just sh-t at changing gear in the GT3?). Loved the power delivery though not sure about the shift light indicator as started to find it abit to distracting, im sure once ou get used to it, its not to bad.
Only negatives from me are the sh-t red strip on the rims, works on the white but not on the blue and found the cockpit quite wide - i much prefer a 'cramped' cockpit. Felt alot wider than the DC5/GT3 though ive not compared dimensions.
Unfortunately it was pissing it down when i went out but the salesman was happy for me to take it where ever and what not. Couldnt take it down my favourite local lane as Police had closed it so took it down another one, was very 'fast/quick' and compliant. Didnt throw it around too much as not my car plus rain etc but felt good.
For the poor amongst us (haha peasants), 10% deposit on a non-Gt was £500pcm and 20% was £400pcm on a 3 year pcp deal. (basically 21k over 3, 7k a year) the the gfv was around £13k.
Apparently there is only 33 blues left in the system to be sold and if you want grey, i believe they restart painting them in November ready for a new year delivery. Non-Gt's (pending on colour) can be had quicker. Think i was offered a blue one for 6th September. Or was offered to spec one up, non-Gt as the dealer is looking to get one in for the show room. Then i could have that or turn it down.[/i]
Took one out last Saturday and was very impressed. Not sure what the £500 is about, I just had to take in my licence and some other proof of address which was all fine. I have been on Honda's books for a few years though with old cars i've had through them.
Guy let me take it where I wanted, and the head sales guy and I had a chat about hot hatches for a good 10 minutes which was amusing. He said he'd had a run in with an E46 M3 (on a private test track obviously) whilst he'd had it and there was nothing in it.
Car felt very planted and big fan of the styling in the flesh. The interior felt like a step up to me. Power delivery was impressive - little bit of torque steer but way it picked up speed was immense. Was impressed with the ride considering the wheels, and the fact it had a proper 6th gear for cruising. Had a quick blast down the M40 and you can believe the 160mph+ top speed.
Trundling back to the garage even got the thumbs up from two cops in their Volvo who smiled when I punched the loud pedal for them.
Definitely something i'll own one day.
Guy was saying though that to get a new NSX test drive they will be requiring a £5000 deposit! Bonkers
Guy let me take it where I wanted, and the head sales guy and I had a chat about hot hatches for a good 10 minutes which was amusing. He said he'd had a run in with an E46 M3 (on a private test track obviously) whilst he'd had it and there was nothing in it.
Car felt very planted and big fan of the styling in the flesh. The interior felt like a step up to me. Power delivery was impressive - little bit of torque steer but way it picked up speed was immense. Was impressed with the ride considering the wheels, and the fact it had a proper 6th gear for cruising. Had a quick blast down the M40 and you can believe the 160mph+ top speed.
Trundling back to the garage even got the thumbs up from two cops in their Volvo who smiled when I punched the loud pedal for them.
Definitely something i'll own one day.
Guy was saying though that to get a new NSX test drive they will be requiring a £5000 deposit! Bonkers
I had a test drive today, in Ayr. To be honest I am not really sure what to make of it.
(PCP White before anyone asks). My day job involves covering app 15K miles a year at the moment. (I know, I should be driving a generic VAG Diesel) Currently I reckon that it costs me £100 max a month (nett) to run my car, after car allowance etc, I am happy with that. I just do not think that I could put up with the R doing these miles.
So, overall, I was a bit disappointed.
As a weekend car though - Yep absolutely! (Lottery is on for tomorrow)
- Ride seemed very crashy, even more so when R mode is activated (Obviously)(A sign of me getting old perhaps)
- Seats were "snug" I liked that!
- Engine noise - Disappointing
- Engine pickup - Just not what I expected from a 300BHP car
- Road noise - Too much - Bloody 19 inch wheels no doubt
- Looks - f
king fabulous in the flesh 
- Build quality felt the next level above the FN2 (Previous model)
- Toys - Yep, plenty of buttons, weird dash displays to keep any anorak happy
(PCP White before anyone asks). My day job involves covering app 15K miles a year at the moment. (I know, I should be driving a generic VAG Diesel) Currently I reckon that it costs me £100 max a month (nett) to run my car, after car allowance etc, I am happy with that. I just do not think that I could put up with the R doing these miles.So, overall, I was a bit disappointed.
As a weekend car though - Yep absolutely! (Lottery is on for tomorrow)
macky17 said:
The Chelmsford dealer definitely used the words "£500 deposit" when they told me. Insurance excess is slightly different but I still wouldn't expect this for a test drive.
Yep, the Honda dealer I worked at had a policy excess of several thousand pounds 
£500 will prob be to stop spotty oiks with Puntos rocking up for a demo.Cheers.....Tony..
750turbo said:
As a weekend car though - Yep absolutely! (Lottery is on for tomorrow)
What?!? Really? Not sure if that says more about you or the new CTR...Don't get me wrong - I've used DC2s as daily-drivers for 9 years and an FD2 for the last 2.5 years. So maybe I'm a masochist...
...but a weekend car HAS to be impractical and ideally rwd...otherwise it should be a daily. Only exception is if it's a stripped-out trackday toy, but even then the only reason why "Elise", "Caterham", or similar isn't the answer is cash...and £30k is a lot of cash.
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I have absolutely zero interest in any impractical compromised car, now.
What happened to personal choice, or is that not allowed in here now.
FFS.
Thank you.
havoc said:
What?!? Really? Not sure if that says more about you or the new CTR...
Don't get me wrong - I've used DC2s as daily-drivers for 9 years and an FD2 for the last 2.5 years. So maybe I'm a masochist...
...but a weekend car HAS to be impractical and ideally rwd...otherwise it should be a daily. Only exception is if it's a stripped-out trackday toy, but even then the only reason why "Elise", "Caterham", or similar isn't the answer is cash...and £30k is a lot of cash.
Yes, really.Don't get me wrong - I've used DC2s as daily-drivers for 9 years and an FD2 for the last 2.5 years. So maybe I'm a masochist...
...but a weekend car HAS to be impractical and ideally rwd...otherwise it should be a daily. Only exception is if it's a stripped-out trackday toy, but even then the only reason why "Elise", "Caterham", or similar isn't the answer is cash...and £30k is a lot of cash.
I have absolutely zero interest in any impractical compromised car, now.
What happened to personal choice, or is that not allowed in here now.
FFS.
Thank you.
750turbo said:
Yes, really.
I have absolutely zero interest in any impractical compromised car, now.
What happened to personal choice, or is that not allowed in here now.
FFS.
Thank you.
I think you've taken my comment too personally. I was just confused that a very-fast (and probably moderately hardcore) 5-door hatch would be considered a weekend car.I have absolutely zero interest in any impractical compromised car, now.
What happened to personal choice, or is that not allowed in here now.
FFS.
Thank you.
Is it that extreme?!?
Drove a GT spec one yesterday. Dealer was great and let me really boot it. Looks fabulous but front wheels got a little loose under full acceleration, went like a bat out of hell though.
Good bits
Looks - sure has presence
Brembo brakes - awesome
Engine pull with the turbo
R Mode gear change indicator on dash- lights up like an F1 car
Seats
Raw feel in R mode
bad bits
To much red techno lights and plastic dash for my liking
Price - don't think it is worth the £32k
Missed the Vtec lunge that is on our EP3
1st and 2nd gears really short
Gearbox not as sharp as EP3
Conclusion for me anyway
Buy a Teigwa air box/remap/Teigwa headers/decat/big brake kit for our EP3 and save £28,000
Good bits
Looks - sure has presence
Brembo brakes - awesome
Engine pull with the turbo
R Mode gear change indicator on dash- lights up like an F1 car
Seats
Raw feel in R mode
bad bits
To much red techno lights and plastic dash for my liking
Price - don't think it is worth the £32k
Missed the Vtec lunge that is on our EP3
1st and 2nd gears really short
Gearbox not as sharp as EP3
Conclusion for me anyway
Buy a Teigwa air box/remap/Teigwa headers/decat/big brake kit for our EP3 and save £28,000
havoc said:
750turbo said:
Yes, really.
I have absolutely zero interest in any impractical compromised car, now.
What happened to personal choice, or is that not allowed in here now.
FFS.
Thank you.
I think you've taken my comment too personally. I was just confused that a very-fast (and probably moderately hardcore) 5-door hatch would be considered a weekend car.I have absolutely zero interest in any impractical compromised car, now.
What happened to personal choice, or is that not allowed in here now.
FFS.
Thank you.
Is it that extreme?!?
It is probably just me, but my last Type R (M200) was on 19s, and too be honest, I could just about suffer that, I do a lot of miles, some of the roads near me are not that great.
It would be good to hear from some actual owners soon though!
750turbo said:
It is probably just me, but my last Type R (M200) was on 19s, and too be honest, I could just about suffer that, I do a lot of miles, some of the roads near me are not that great.
I run an FD2 as a daily driver, on OE 18"s and AST coilovers (notably more compliant than OE springs/dampers), and to be honest there are roads where it's borderline as a daily driver...stiffest car I've owned, and one of the stiffest I've driven.Test drove a white one at Gordans Honda in Wigan. We had organised a local car meet with the dealership in which they gave people test drives throughout the day back to back. I decided to pass and organise one the following week when It would be a little quieter. They just took a photo copy of my licence, signed the waiver and we went off on a 30min test drive.
Having come from something a little quicker I was actually a little disappointed in how slow it felt. I'm sure it's a quick car and the more I drove it the better it felt however it just didn't feel as quick as I was expecting a 306bhp hatch to be. I didn't really notice any turbo lag, just a nice large power band to red line. It's certainly lost that NA urgency to rev which I think has sapped some of the fun out of it, now it feels more composed and grown up in the way it delivers its power.
For me it was the chassis that shined, it is a little firm but I didn't mind that. The damping was better than my BMW, it never felt unsettled on some badly tarmaced roads and I noticed there was hardly any body roll. The steering was weighted nicely and direct and it gave me confidence in the car. Tyres seemed grippy, brakes I didn't think had slot of bite but they had a lot of feel and surprisingly where not over assisted which was a nice surprise given this trend with the current crop of new cars.
I liked the interior, it did feel a cut above the FN2, the infotainment system and dash seemed to have a lot of functions to play with, the screen itself did look abut aftermarket you if I'm honest. Seats were probably a highlight of the inside, looked good, belt felt great, nice and soft but firm in the right places, I felt really snug which helped me get more connected with what the car was doing, even if it was for a short drive. Personally the looks are a little brash but i think it looks so much better in the flesh than it does in the pictures. I think in the right colour to help down down the body it would be almost perfect. Mean and purposeful. Little things that annoyed me but could be easily fixed... Red striping which I believe is an optional extra.. The offset of the wheels in particular the tears that sat in the arches too much for me and the brakes as the carriers where silver but the calipers red which made them look half done,as I say quite a minor thing though.
Overall I was impressed with the car, really spacious, had all the right things, quick enough I guess, maybe a remap and an exhaust wouldn't go amiss, but it was the chassis that I thought was the best bit.
Having come from something a little quicker I was actually a little disappointed in how slow it felt. I'm sure it's a quick car and the more I drove it the better it felt however it just didn't feel as quick as I was expecting a 306bhp hatch to be. I didn't really notice any turbo lag, just a nice large power band to red line. It's certainly lost that NA urgency to rev which I think has sapped some of the fun out of it, now it feels more composed and grown up in the way it delivers its power.
For me it was the chassis that shined, it is a little firm but I didn't mind that. The damping was better than my BMW, it never felt unsettled on some badly tarmaced roads and I noticed there was hardly any body roll. The steering was weighted nicely and direct and it gave me confidence in the car. Tyres seemed grippy, brakes I didn't think had slot of bite but they had a lot of feel and surprisingly where not over assisted which was a nice surprise given this trend with the current crop of new cars.
I liked the interior, it did feel a cut above the FN2, the infotainment system and dash seemed to have a lot of functions to play with, the screen itself did look abut aftermarket you if I'm honest. Seats were probably a highlight of the inside, looked good, belt felt great, nice and soft but firm in the right places, I felt really snug which helped me get more connected with what the car was doing, even if it was for a short drive. Personally the looks are a little brash but i think it looks so much better in the flesh than it does in the pictures. I think in the right colour to help down down the body it would be almost perfect. Mean and purposeful. Little things that annoyed me but could be easily fixed... Red striping which I believe is an optional extra.. The offset of the wheels in particular the tears that sat in the arches too much for me and the brakes as the carriers where silver but the calipers red which made them look half done,as I say quite a minor thing though.
Overall I was impressed with the car, really spacious, had all the right things, quick enough I guess, maybe a remap and an exhaust wouldn't go amiss, but it was the chassis that I thought was the best bit.
I saw one in Peterborough this weekend and thought it had been crashed through the front of Halfords.
I have had 2 EP3s and 2 S2000 in the past 10 years and love Hondas but really think they have ruined this car with the ridiculous 4 exhausts (trying to make it look like a GTR) and massive wing on the back. I like my cars a little more understated so wouldn't even consider one of these as it just looks a little chavvy for my liking.
Each to ones own though but I think Honda have ruined what could of been a nice looking car.
On the other hand I would like a FD2 Type R.
I have had 2 EP3s and 2 S2000 in the past 10 years and love Hondas but really think they have ruined this car with the ridiculous 4 exhausts (trying to make it look like a GTR) and massive wing on the back. I like my cars a little more understated so wouldn't even consider one of these as it just looks a little chavvy for my liking.
Each to ones own though but I think Honda have ruined what could of been a nice looking car.
On the other hand I would like a FD2 Type R.
Just been looking around the brochure and configurator...and I'm not impressed.
GT-pack aside (£2-3k for a bunch of frippery, if you exclude the parking sensors which I'd expect to be standard on a car of that price and rear-end design), all the option "packs" are cosmetic bling which do little more than roll 'it' in a little more glitter.
...and there appears to be no pricing option for adding individual items (e.g. parking sensors) - you either take the overpriced GT pack or have the vanilla £30k car as-is...which is piss-poor, quite frankly.
This makes their manufacturing line and supplier demand management / sequencing a lot less complex and simpler to control, but consider what even VW are doing with options/packs/variety, let alone the likes of BMW/Jag/Merc with their individual customisation options, and Honda are miles behind the times here*.
* Yes, I know the original Type-Rs had almost zero options available - 3 colours, alarm, a/c and a stereo or not were as far as the DC2 went, I think. But we're 20 years on from that car, the market has changed substantially, and all Honda have done is let Marketing go to town on the image side of things here while there's fk-all on the substance side except a big overblown "GT pack".
GT-pack aside (£2-3k for a bunch of frippery, if you exclude the parking sensors which I'd expect to be standard on a car of that price and rear-end design), all the option "packs" are cosmetic bling which do little more than roll 'it' in a little more glitter.
...and there appears to be no pricing option for adding individual items (e.g. parking sensors) - you either take the overpriced GT pack or have the vanilla £30k car as-is...which is piss-poor, quite frankly.
This makes their manufacturing line and supplier demand management / sequencing a lot less complex and simpler to control, but consider what even VW are doing with options/packs/variety, let alone the likes of BMW/Jag/Merc with their individual customisation options, and Honda are miles behind the times here*.
* Yes, I know the original Type-Rs had almost zero options available - 3 colours, alarm, a/c and a stereo or not were as far as the DC2 went, I think. But we're 20 years on from that car, the market has changed substantially, and all Honda have done is let Marketing go to town on the image side of things here while there's f
k-all on the substance side except a big overblown "GT pack".Can't find where I read it now, but I think non-GT models don't come with a parcel shelf or boot floor cover! Shocking really, makes GT almost compulsory if you are missing those basic features.
I did see my first ones this weekend though, 2 white one black. Have to say black looks miles better IMO as the white still has black trim around the bottom anyway. Will hold judgement on the best colour until I see a red or the grey metallic colour.
I did see my first ones this weekend though, 2 white one black. Have to say black looks miles better IMO as the white still has black trim around the bottom anyway. Will hold judgement on the best colour until I see a red or the grey metallic colour.
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