NSX?

[flemke]

NoelWatson said:

- The NSX has great steering precision and steering feel, in stark contrast to the 355's over-servo'd mess.

Unfortunately this applies to the Type R only, as the standard X suffers from electric assistance which I feel is the worst aspect of the car. I had more feel in older Peugeot shopping trolleys.

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've been lucky twice.
Had two '04 standard cars, and the steering was/is quite precise in both.
Not as much feel as the R, but the precision is definitely there.

[stephen300o]

Mines a 92, before they added power assist, I roadtested a later car but I much prefered the feel of the old cars steering.

Edited by stephen300o on Wednesday 18th July 20:35

[havoc]

NoelWatson said:

flemke said:

The NSX has great steering precision and steering feel, in stark contrast to the 355's over-servo'd mess.

Unfortunately this applies to the Type R only, as the standard X suffers from electric assistance which I feel is the worst aspect of the car. I had more feel in older Peugeot shopping trolleys.

Not sure where you got that nugget from, but the NSX could be had with either unassisted steering or hydraulic-PAS. The NSX is RENOWNED for it's steering poise and feel!!!


There's some real rubbish being spouted on here...stuff which even I know is horse and I've never driven a Fezza or NSX!!!



Edit: Just seen the later post...elec PAS on the autos, eh?

[flemke]

Jules360 said:

Thanks for that, i was previously unsure of the order when changing up....anyway, you said you returned the thing to Maranellos for fettling, then got it back none the better. Surely you would then have done a quick about turn and returned the car to them, rather than take it to a non-franchised dealer ???

I wasn't trying to be a wise guy. I probably misinterpreted your question, as I obviously couldn't have used third gear when I was still at the dealer's.

As far as a non-franchised dealer, if you dig around a bit WRT British Ferraris, you'll find out about Bob Houghton (in Northleach, IIRC). He knows more about how to fettle and optimise Ferrari road and racing cars than a dozen main dealer technicians put together.

Cheers.

[Jules360]

flemke said:

Jules360 said:

Thanks for that, i was previously unsure of the order when changing up....anyway, you said you returned the thing to Maranellos for fettling, then got it back none the better. Surely you would then have done a quick about turn and returned the car to them, rather than take it to a non-franchised dealer ???

I wasn't trying to be a wise guy. I probably misinterpreted your question, as I obviously couldn't have used third gear when I was still at the dealer's.

As far as a non-franchised dealer, if you dig around a bit WRT British Ferraris, you'll find out about Bob Houghton (in Northleach, IIRC). He knows more about how to fettle and optimise Ferrari road and racing cars than a dozen main dealer technicians put together.

Cheers.

I agree that the specialist network is far far better than teh franchised dealer network. However, having just shelled out £170k and been unable to get into 3rd, i personally would have returned the car to Maranellos and told them to either fix it or get me another car, rather than pay for a third party to put the fault right. Did you bill Maranello ?

[flemke]

Jules360 said:

I agree that the specialist network is far far better than teh franchised dealer network. However, having just shelled out £170k and been unable to get into 3rd, i personally would have returned the car to Maranellos and told them to either fix it or get me another car, rather than pay for a third party to put the fault right. Did you bill Maranello ?

No, life is too short to get into that stuff.
Anyhow, I've found that it is often more worthwhile just to mention such an anecdote, in terms of giving feedback.
Then in future, if you need a favour, they're very willing to extend themselves on your behalf.

[ferrisbueller]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Interesting. I've been pondering taking mine there as the warranty isn't invalidated by going outside the main dealer network. I just wonder whether Honda UK would continue to be as eager to please if I ditched their dealers.

[odyssey2200]

ferrisbueller said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Interesting. I've been pondering taking mine there as the warranty isn't invalidated by going outside the main dealer network. I just wonder whether Honda UK would continue to be as eager to please if I ditched their dealers.

legally you can have your car service at any garage provided that you adhere to the manufacturers recommendations and use genuine parts.

Goodwill claims out of warranty are at the manufacturers discretion so would probably not be forthcomming if you had your servicing at and indy.

[trackdemon]

Interesting comments on servicing outside the dealer network - my car has been looked after for some time now by Letchworth Honda, who are probably the single most impressive all round dealer I've had the pleasure of dealing with.

[ferrisbueller]

trackdemon said:

Interesting comments on servicing outside the dealer network - my car has been looked after for some time now by Letchworth Honda, who are probably the single most impressive all round dealer I've had the pleasure of dealing with.

Again, interesting. I've just started using them after less than impressive service elsewhere. Not had anything but excellence from them thus far (two visits). Somehow they're cheaper than the other lot as well.......

[NoelWatson]

havoc said:

NoelWatson said:

flemke said:

The NSX has great steering precision and steering feel, in stark contrast to the 355's over-servo'd mess.

Unfortunately this applies to the Type R only, as the standard X suffers from electric assistance which I feel is the worst aspect of the car. I had more feel in older Peugeot shopping trolleys.

Not sure where you got that nugget from, but the NSX could be had with either unassisted steering or hydraulic-PAS. The NSX is RENOWNED for it's steering poise and feel!!!


There's some real rubbish being spouted on here...stuff which even I know is horse and I've never driven a Fezza or NSX!!!



Edit: Just seen the later post...elec PAS on the autos, eh?

havoc - I should have made it more clear - I'm talking post '95 cars. Mine is an 04 and while it may be accurate I don't get the feedback that I did with either my 106 Rallye (unassisted) or 306 Rallye (assisted). Also, 3.2 turns lock to lock is too much.

[35secToNuvolari]

In terms of driving excitement, this guy seems to prefer the 355 to the NSX. Of course he follows up later by saying he can't handle the 355's repair bills anymore, so is selling it.

www.nsxfiles.com

[RLD]

NoelWatson said:

havoc said:

NoelWatson said:

flemke said:

The NSX has great steering precision and steering feel, in stark contrast to the 355's over-servo'd mess.

Unfortunately this applies to the Type R only, as the standard X suffers from electric assistance which I feel is the worst aspect of the car. I had more feel in older Peugeot shopping trolleys.

Not sure where you got that nugget from, but the NSX could be had with either unassisted steering or hydraulic-PAS. The NSX is RENOWNED for it's steering poise and feel!!!


There's some real rubbish being spouted on here...stuff which even I know is horse and I've never driven a Fezza or NSX!!!



Edit: Just seen the later post...elec PAS on the autos, eh?

havoc - I should have made it more clear - I'm talking post '95 cars. Mine is an 04 and while it may be accurate I don't get the feedback that I did with either my 106 Rallye (unassisted) or 306 Rallye (assisted). Also, 3.2 turns lock to lock is too much.

http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Technical/eps.htm

The NSX power steering has always been electric (not hydraulic), but it was only available on the auto cars in the beginning.

[p-car]

Flemke,

Regarding your desire to get new cushion/inserts for your NSX-R seats, you might like to try Southbound Motor Trimmers - 01264 810080 - ask for David Nunn. They're located near Southampton.

Southbound do a lot of work with various Recaro seats particularly in the Porsche world and David can lay his hands on almost any material you might need. They have a very good reputation.

I believe the NSX-R (and TypeS) seat shells are essentially an early to mid 90's Recaro SPG design and are the same shape (if not material) as those fitted to 964/993 RS's. From memory the NA1 NSX-R's are trimmed in a non standard Recaro material but it should be possible for Southbound to match and build up some bespoke cushions to your exact specification or re-trim the entire seat.

FWIW, we met briefy at the Shell service station in Egham about a year ago where you tried the similar seats of my own NSX TypeS for size while I drooled over your magnificent F1 :-)

Mark

Edited by p-car on Tuesday 24th July 09:23

[flemke]

p-car said:

Flemke,

Regarding your desire to get new cushion/inserts for your NSX-R seats, you might like to try Southbound Motor Trimmers - 01264 810080 - ask for David Nunn. They're located near Southampton.

Southbound do a lot of work with various Recaro seats particularly in the Porsche world and David can lay his hands on almost any material you might need. They have a very good reputation.

I believe the NSX-R (and TypeS) seat shells are essentially an early to mid 90's Recaro SPG design and are the same shape (if not material) as those fitted to 964/993 RS's. From memory the NA1 NSX-R's are trimmed in a non standard Recaro material but it should be possible for Southbound to match and build up some bespoke cushions to your exact specification or re-trim the entire seat.

FWIW, we met briefy at the Shell service station in Egham about a year ago where you tried the similar seats of my own NSX TypeS for size while I drooled over your magnificent F1 :-)

Mark

Mark,

Yes, I have spoken with David Nunn. He wants to specialise on Porsches (he'll occasionally do work on another marque because he's involved with a car club for it, but I cannot recall which - something fairly unusual), so he won't work on NSXs. Also, in my case it's not much of a trimming job, so he'd be breaking his own "rule" for almost nothing.
I discussed with him who might be able to get their hands on a piece of the right density foam and slice it in half for me. He suggested one place, but for some reason that wasn't going to work.

I should probably post a question on General Gassing. No doubt someone is aware of a place that does this kind of thing, which is pretty basic. You do need a special tool to slice foam, and we would need a decent foam material, but it's not rocket science. Some seat makers sell individual cushions, but the ones that I have seen available (Sparco) are so rubbish that they don't even function.
I was going to buy the sport seat lower cushion for 964/993 Porsches, but they wanted about a grand for one (three-pieces of fabric-covered foam), and out of principle I wouldn't pay that. So ridiculous that its a joke.

Yes, I recall when we met at that service station. You've got a nice car there - metallic orange Type S?

Cheers.

[p-car]

Yes that's me, the car's Imola Orange Pearl to be precise :-)

Sorry, I wasn't aware that Southbound were quite so selective. I know that David can be a bit "funny" if you catch him in the wrong mood. I remember talking with him at a Porsche meeting about an RS (993) carpet set so that I could de-seat my old Carrera when someone butted into our conversation with "just a quick question... do you have any of these trim clips", David replied "sorry no, I don't keep them". When the chap had gone David said to me "I've got hundreds of them in the van, I'd probably have given him a handful for nothing if he'd not interupted us". I got the RS carpet set (great quality) and a set of Recaro seat mounts for my then new pair of Recaro Pole Positions from Southbound.

You need a "hot knife" which I believe is actually a heated wire to cut foam properly. I know a chap that has re-upholstered several of my fathers classic cars who might be able to make some cushions for you. I'll ask if he's interested in doing what you need and get his contact details.

Mark

[flemke]

p-car said:

Yes that's me, the car's Imola Orange Pearl to be precise :-)

Sorry, I wasn't aware that Southbound were quite so selective. I know that David can be a bit "funny" if you catch him in the wrong mood. I remember talking with him at a Porsche meeting about an RS (993) carpet set so that I could de-seat my old Carrera when someone butted into our conversation with "just a quick question... do you have any of these trim clips", David replied "sorry no, I don't keep them". When the chap had gone David said to me "I've got hundreds of them in the van, I'd probably have given him a handful for nothing if he'd not interupted us". I got the RS carpet set (great quality) and a set of Recaro seat mounts for my then new pair of Recaro Pole Positions from Southbound.

You need a "hot knife" which I believe is actually a heated wire to cut foam properly. I know a chap that has re-upholstered several of my fathers classic cars who might be able to make some cushions for you. I'll ask if he's interested in doing what you need and get his contact details.

Mark

That would be great, thanks.
Then I'd need to find some semi-rigid foam, which must be procurable somewhere on the island of Britain.
The soft stuff that Sparco use is simply worthless - you might as well be sitting on a feather pillow.

Cheers.

[Cathar]

I'm looking to modify the seats on my S2000, but I think they are different than the ones in the NSX. Basically, I want to insert harder foam or something similar at the rear of the seat base to keep the pelvis in a more upright position, similar to what I believe the famed "ProBax" seats are doing in the current Elise.

I'd also be interested in where to obtain harder foam, I'm located in Austria though.

I've been thinking of doing it the old-fashioned way by making a hard, shaped "cushion" from 2-pack foam and then cutting it down, covering it in something soft and inserting it in the seat, but I fear that this won't look the part under the leather.

Might still try it out since it's cheap and probably fun (if your concept of fun includes sitting in a bin liner filled with slowly expanding warm foam).

-Marin

[PJ S]

flemke said:

p-car said:

Yes that's me, the car's Imola Orange Pearl to be precise :-)

Sorry, I wasn't aware that Southbound were quite so selective. I know that David can be a bit "funny" if you catch him in the wrong mood. I remember talking with him at a Porsche meeting about an RS (993) carpet set so that I could de-seat my old Carrera when someone butted into our conversation with "just a quick question... do you have any of these trim clips", David replied "sorry no, I don't keep them". When the chap had gone David said to me "I've got hundreds of them in the van, I'd probably have given him a handful for nothing if he'd not interupted us". I got the RS carpet set (great quality) and a set of Recaro seat mounts for my then new pair of Recaro Pole Positions from Southbound.

You need a "hot knife" which I believe is actually a heated wire to cut foam properly. I know a chap that has re-upholstered several of my fathers classic cars who might be able to make some cushions for you. I'll ask if he's interested in doing what you need and get his contact details.

Mark

That would be great, thanks.
Then I'd need to find some semi-rigid foam, which must be procurable somewhere on the island of Britain.
The soft stuff that Sparco use is simply worthless - you might as well be sitting on a feather pillow.

Cheers.

Have you thought about visco-elastic (memory) foam, which would mould to your curves......oh er missus!
There's a few companies I know of who do various upholstery foam, inc. visco-elastic.
E-mail me and I'll send you their details - I hope I've kept their bookmarks!

[Seany88]

p-car said:

Yes that's me, the car's Imola Orange Pearl to be precise :-)

Mark

Ahh i believe you gave me a p-ride at Donington a couple of years ago, where we ended up chasing a GT40? Was a memorable experience, even though you made me feel

Still got the car? I was amazed by the handling, it felt so planted on the ground.