How badly do 19s stuff up the ride of the current UK CTR?

[nivlac]

kingofdbrits said:

I've done 52k miles in my FN2 mostly on the motorway and had no problems at all, compared to my old type r its much softer. It's no jag xj mind and is hard but not so much that its hard to live with.

As has been said the 19's won't ruin the ride at all, i couldn't tell the difference between them.

Not wanting a bun fight here but an ST won't drop a type r above 80, they are near on identical in the performance stakes.

well it does actually because even my friend in the type-r says i get away from him, have you tried it with someone you know is pushing as hard as you? but i retract my statement about the ride not being too hard,as he today decided that the ride IS too harsh on the 19s (after only clocking 6000 miles) but maybe it is not quite so harsh on 18s, he asked me if i thought he would be ok having a higher profile tyre fitted on the rims.
its ok i told him not to try it.

Edited by nivlac on Friday 22 August 20:26

[kingofdbrits]

nivlac said:

kingofdbrits said:

I've done 52k miles in my FN2 mostly on the motorway and had no problems at all, compared to my old type r its much softer. It's no jag xj mind and is hard but not so much that its hard to live with.

As has been said the 19's won't ruin the ride at all, i couldn't tell the difference between them.

Not wanting a bun fight here but an ST won't drop a type r above 80, they are near on identical in the performance stakes.

well it does actually because even my friend in the type-r says i get away from him, have you tried it with someone you know is pushing as hard as you? but i retract my statement about the ride not being too hard,as he today decided that the ride is too harsh on the 19s but maybe it is not quite so harsh on 18s he asked me if i thought he would be ok having a higher profile tyre on the rims.
its ok i told him not to try it.

A friend has an ST and i've had a go with my old type r (EP3) and my new one (FN2) and both easily keep up and if anything slightly quicker as though they are less powerful both have superior bhp/tonne to the ST. Compared to the EP3 the ST has to lug about 260kg's more and an extra 25bhp is not enough, but then if a CTR has the usual mods even a mapped ST will still have 10-15bhp/tonne less.

Even so it's splitting hairs as the difference is trivial unless your on a track and every write up i've seen the ST is always bringing up the rear and the R26 wins by a mile but on public roads there's no difference and it's the driver that makes far more difference and how reckless they want to be.

I'm saving for a Rotrex and looking at 330-400bhp i should be eating ST's soon enough.

[nivlac]

kingofdbrits said:

nivlac said:

kingofdbrits said:

well it does actually because even my friend in the type-r says i get away from him, have you tried it with someone you know is pushing as hard as you? but i retract my statement about the ride not being too hard,as he today decided that the ride is too harsh on the 19s but maybe it is not quite so harsh on 18s he asked me if i thought he would be ok having a higher profile tyre on the rims.
its ok i told him not to try it.

A friend has an ST and i've had a go with my old type r (EP3) and my new one (FN2) and both easily keep up and if anything slightly quicker as though they are less powerful both have superior bhp/tonne to the ST. Compared to the EP3 the ST has to lug about 260kg's more and an extra 25bhp is not enough, but then if a CTR has the usual mods even a mapped ST will still have 10-15bhp/tonne less.

Even so it's splitting hairs as the difference is trivial unless your on a track and every write up i've seen the ST is always bringing up the rear and the R26 wins by a mile but on public roads there's no difference and it's the driver that makes far more difference and how reckless they want to be.

I'm saving for a Rotrex and looking at 330-400bhp i should be eating ST's soon enough.

im not going to quote random pub stats (lots of different sources quote different weights for cars if you google them they will range by 150kgs)just facts as i know what happened when i pulled away from him but it was onto a motorway up a slight gradient so perhaps that was the problem for him (lack of torque by around 100ft lbs) but yes they are pretty close otherwise. at least you admit you need to spend thousands on a supercharger conversion to eat st`s as you put it, about 5grand i expect if you really want to see 400bhp. good luck with that as it will give you the power and torque) you so obviously need.

perhaps it will reduce the need to stir the box so much, which i assume will need serious uprating too.

expensive project but will be cracking once youve ploughed in the 8 or so grand.

[ferrisbueller]

Does every thread need to deteriorate into a pissing contest?

There's no harm in being proud of your car but bear in mind, whatever you have, there's a good chance someone will have something else that's better.

[kingofdbrits]

nivlac said:

kingofdbrits said:

nivlac said:

kingofdbrits said:

well it does actually because even my friend in the type-r says i get away from him, have you tried it with someone you know is pushing as hard as you? but i retract my statement about the ride not being too hard,as he today decided that the ride is too harsh on the 19s but maybe it is not quite so harsh on 18s he asked me if i thought he would be ok having a higher profile tyre on the rims.
its ok i told him not to try it.

A friend has an ST and i've had a go with my old type r (EP3) and my new one (FN2) and both easily keep up and if anything slightly quicker as though they are less powerful both have superior bhp/tonne to the ST. Compared to the EP3 the ST has to lug about 260kg's more and an extra 25bhp is not enough, but then if a CTR has the usual mods even a mapped ST will still have 10-15bhp/tonne less.

Even so it's splitting hairs as the difference is trivial unless your on a track and every write up i've seen the ST is always bringing up the rear and the R26 wins by a mile but on public roads there's no difference and it's the driver that makes far more difference and how reckless they want to be.

I'm saving for a Rotrex and looking at 330-400bhp i should be eating ST's soon enough.

im not going to quote random pub stats (lots of different sources quote different weights for cars if you google them they will range by 150kgs)just facts as i know what happened when i pulled away from him but it was onto a motorway up a slight gradient so perhaps that was the problem for him (lack of torque by around 100ft lbs) but yes they are pretty close otherwise. at least you admit you need to spend thousands on a supercharger conversion to eat st`s as you put it, about 5grand i expect if you really want to see 400bhp. good luck with that as it will give you the power and torque) you so obviously need.

perhaps it will reduce the need to stir the box so much, which i assume will need serious uprating too.

expensive project but will be cracking once youve ploughed in the 8 or so grand.

It is expensive to go FI properly with a ctr and it will be c£3500 to go over 300bhp but then thats similar for the ST as a simple remap is 40bhp max, after that it gets expensive. The cheaper mods will see 240bhp but thats still £1200 so either way its not cheap. Mine needed a new clutch recently so i've had an uprated one thrown in and an LSD to handle the power.

The car weights were taken from the group test done by evo mag a while back and the ST was considerably heavier than its rivals and at 1465kg's it is a bit of a porker.

[nivlac]

im going to cry

[the_hood]

I've not driven the Type R, but i remember it was slated on Top Gear for having a very hard ride.

[Marc W]

the_hood said:

I've not driven the Type R, but i remember it was slated on Top Gear for having a very hard ride.

Thats just because JC has a bad back! I've had one for just over a year now (on 18's) and I'm very happy with it.

Edited by Marc W on Monday 6th October 17:06

[Emeye]

Just as an update - I went out and bought a 7 month old Golf Gti 3dr with 17s a couple of weeks ago.

TBH it's not quite as jiggly on the motorway as the CTR, but not considerably better.

I tried a GTi on 18s, and whilst they look better, and the ride isn't much worse, they make one hell of a racket compared to the 17s.

Think the problem for me was that when I drove the CTR I was comparing it to my E39 530i Sport, which had amazingly compliant suspension considering it's handling abilities.

Still I prefer the turbo engine in the Gti to the vtec CTR. Always preferred turbo engines TBH.

[pbirkett]

Not that it matters now, but personally i thought the 19s on the CTR looked crap compared to the original wheels. They really dont suit it, and make it look like a big rollerskate. I seem to be in the minority there though, but I think the original wheels suit the car perfectly.

[spoony]

has any body out there tried the mazda three mps yet its far better than the ctr and it looks the nuts too

[ferrisbueller]

spoony said:

has any body out there tried the mazda three mps yet its far better than the ctr and it looks the nuts too

And torque steers like a bh........and doesn't handle as well......

I prefer the 6 MPS personally.

[spoony]

thats a fair coment it is not as good as the six but they dont do the six anymore they brought out the new one with a 2.5 init. it still goes but i think they should play with the new shape and see what they come up with

[Dift]

did you try the cupra? Might have been worth looking at, essentially the same under pinnings as the gold with "better" suspension, and the same engine as the S3/Edt30 (remap to around 310bhp).

Sounds like your happy with the golf though.

[Emeye]

Dift said:

did you try the cupra? Might have been worth looking at, essentially the same under pinnings as the gold with "better" suspension, and the same engine as the S3/Edt30 (remap to around 310bhp).

Sounds like your happy with the golf though.

I had a MK1 cupra and loved it - I prefer the Golf of the current generation of VAG group chassis variations - I've driven the current FR, but not driven the current Cupra, and after reading reviews in the press, I'd disagree with the "better" suspension comments - all the ones I've read seem to favour the golf - I also read lots of forum posts complaining about the Leon build quality and rattles. The Cupra is a lot less common than the golf though.

[Dift]

Emeye said:

Dift said:

did you try the cupra? Might have been worth looking at, essentially the same under pinnings as the gold with "better" suspension, and the same engine as the S3/Edt30 (remap to around 310bhp).

Sounds like your happy with the golf though.

I had a MK1 cupra and loved it - I prefer the Golf of the current generation of VAG group chassis variations - I've driven the current FR, but not driven the current Cupra, and after reading reviews in the press, I'd disagree with the "better" suspension comments - all the ones I've read seem to favour the golf - I also read lots of forum posts complaining about the Leon build quality and rattles. The Cupra is a lot less common than the golf though.

Totally agree, but I think i'll go for th Cupra next, can't beat the power for the price.

As for the suspension comment ... I did put "better"

[Emeye]

Dift said:

Emeye said:

Dift said:

did you try the cupra? Might have been worth looking at, essentially the same under pinnings as the gold with "better" suspension, and the same engine as the S3/Edt30 (remap to around 310bhp).

Sounds like your happy with the golf though.

I had a MK1 cupra and loved it - I prefer the Golf of the current generation of VAG group chassis variations - I've driven the current FR, but not driven the current Cupra, and after reading reviews in the press, I'd disagree with the "better" suspension comments - all the ones I've read seem to favour the golf - I also read lots of forum posts complaining about the Leon build quality and rattles. The Cupra is a lot less common than the golf though.

Totally agree, but I think i'll go for th Cupra next, can't beat the power for the price.

As for the suspension comment ... I did put "better"

Well I only paid £15k for a 7 month old 3dr Gold Gti with a few options from a main dealer, and it doesn't cost that much to get it chipped up. The interior quality in the Cupra let it down for me - but nice seats.

[uncler]

pbirkett said:

Not that it matters now, but personally i thought the 19s on the CTR looked crap compared to the original wheels. They really dont suit it, and make it look like a big rollerskate. I seem to be in the minority there though, but I think the original wheels suit the car perfectly.

I agree! I thought I was the only person in the world who thought the same - the 18's are perfect IMO.

[Marc W]

No, i thought the same too, which is why my car has the original 18's!