RE: Mugen Civic Hatchback

[Poverty]

Agree with above, plus anything mugen can do, I can do it anyway if I so wanted.

If I want a lighter more hardcore type r, I would just remove the bits I dont want, stick on coilovers, lighter alloys, stickier tyres, bigger brakes, and a ghastly big rear wing if I so wished,and I reckon all of that would cost as much as a mugen type r.

[vz-r_dave]

TaylotS2K said:

havoc said:

BUG4LIFE]I want a Mugen RR [Jap spec said:

Civic so bad - it looked amazing on 5th Gear the other day and killed the S2000.

Apples with oranges. Stock S2000 vs track-day biased modified hot-saloon - the Mugen RR (AIUI) runs on evens stiffer suspension than the stock FD2 and wears track-day rubber - RE01-R IIRC. The rubber alone would be worth over a second a lap even at Millbrook, so the 5th gear article was just ever-so-slightly misleading!!!

Agreed.

The standard FD2 is just as quick as the the S2000 if not faster on some tracks.

[havoc]

vz-r_dave said:

The standard FD2 is just as quick as the the S2000 if not faster on some tracks.

It might well be. But:-
- It's still got 8 years of suspension tech advances over the S2000
- It's a hard-top so will be stiffer giving more opportunities re: suspension
- It's a Type-R - they're the hardcore stuff. The S2000 was never intended to be a Type-R level of car.
- What rubber is it running on?

Moreover:-
- WGAF about lap times?!? I drive a DC2 and an S2000, when I could have bought an E46 M3 or any number of uber-quick cars - I bought them because I like the difference and the involvement and they're quick enough for me.

All this st about lap-times and which is quicker is just people being sucked-in by marketing speak. INVOLVEMENT matters more IMHO.


(Oh...and I actually like the FD2...am trying to persuade the missus to test-drive one...which would make our 'fleet' rather an interesting set!!! )

[pbirkett]

vz-r_dave said:

Get Karter said:

The Jap CTR FD2 looks like an Accord rather than a Civic.

It doesn't strike me as looking remotely sporty....but I guess it's all down to individual taste.

It's stiffer, more powerful...but is a big car, so what does it weigh?

(I know Vicki drove it round a track quicker than an FN2, but how would it compare to a DC2 or DC5?)

Quicker then both the DC2 and DC5 by a long shot the car is amazingly quick.

look at the best motoring clips to see it in action against the mentioned cars.

I know that it is quicker, and I've seen that video, but lets face it, we couldnt have the "old" cars coming near it now could we...

A guy on the ITR forum has a dad who just bought one, while the guy in question has an EK9 and he reckons there aint that much in it on the road. So while I dont disagree that it will be quicker, I think not as much so as you seem to believe after watching that video.

Personally, and I seem to be alone on this, but I personally think the FN2 is by far a better looking car than the FD2. Its just a shame they didnt make a proper job of it.

[danwww]

The euro civic is ugly and rubbish - even the US Civic SI has a LSD.
As for JDM ones - you could make a Civic Mugen RRR thats faster round the ring that a GTR and I'd still rather have an s2000

[Nelly023]

Whilst i don't disagree with much of the sentiment i think you should check the Civic Type R options list as you won't find a sunroof.

I've just got a new shape Civic Type R and there's no question it's slightly flawed and previous model was more 'R' like. In my view the new version is a fairly good compromise for me on the basis of a 60 mile daily commute.

Austin3000 said:

I really like the looks of new shape Civic Type-r but I hate the fact its heavier and slower than the old one, bit of a step backwards IMO.

If mugen can lighten the car (considerably), give it an LSD and bump the power up then I would love one.

Honda totally sold out with the new Type-R and its just a badge now in this country. I mean come on, dual zone climate control, sunroof and large heavy wheels...what is "Racing" about that?

IMO the Accord Type-R was the last true Type-R we (offically) had over here and that Mugen RR on 5th Gear the other night reminded me an awful lot of that car, especially the big spoiler, dual exhausts and the sound inside. I would live to see an on track comparison of those two!

Also, what happened to that S2000 Type-r with a fixed hardtop Honda were supose to be bringing out?

"Diffucult is worth doing"...well f * cking do it then and build what the people want!

[cowellsj]

drewcole81 said:

Looks like a car thats crashed into a Halfords and come out the other side dripping with Rip Speed tat...

But then its another one for the rice racer boys.

Bet it goes well, but wouldn't want to be seen driving in it, rather be seen in a scooby...





wait, no I wouldn't.

Edited by drewcole81 on Wednesday 3rd September 13:05

Most of the current jap crop look crap compared to the versions of a few years back, civic, impreza, mitsi evo, skyline all IMHO ofcourse.

Saw an STi the other day, thought it would look better in the flesh, but it's still butt ugly.

Face it Mugen, you can't polish a turd.

[jaystyle]

Is it Just me or is it abit ugly? Reckon the standard type R looks better. Besides, 5 doors are for mums and old people.

[Get Karter]

pbirkett said:

Get Karter said:

The Jap CTR FD2 looks like an Accord rather than a Civic.
It doesn't strike me as looking remotely sporty....but I guess it's all down to individual taste.

Personally, and I seem to be alone on this, but I personally think the FN2 is by far a better looking car than the FD2. Its just a shame they didnt make a proper job of it.

I agree with you....as said above, FD2 looks like a heavy family saloon.

I wouldn't have either though.

[Technonotice]

alman said:

Isn't it not a matter of how luxurious it is, something to do with a suspension change (for the worse) which has got people pissed off with Honda?

its no longer has fully independent suspension, a torsion beam was used to increase boot space and probably some other reasons as well.

[Austin3000]

Technonotice said:

Even if Honda officially sold the FD2 in the UK i would be surprised if it sold in huge numbers, The latest type R (FN2) is less hardcore and has more luxury because that's what most people(except Honda mentalists(i include myself in this)) want, Honda want to make as much money as they can. Correct? So by making the new car compromised in certain aspects they attract more people who considered other Type R varients too hardcore.

I believe you can spec a new UK Type R to have little or no luxury and guess what they have only sold a handful..

I agree with what you are saying and can see the logic but surely the FN2 Type-R should be a Type-S if its to have lots of luxury items and make the Type-R stripped out and bare like they used to be.

You can omit the stereo and /ac from the FN2 but thats about it I believe.

[Austin3000]

I stand corrected, I was looking in the classifieds to check they had sunroof and I mistook a red Type-S GT for a Type-R. It had the body kit so looked identical.

Incidentally I had a Type-S as a company car and compared to my old Type-R (03 plate) the driving position and overal ambience in the car felt sportier and ripe to be lightened and take (much!) more power so i was suprised and disapopinted with the current type-r. So much potential...

Even the previous Type-R never compared to my old Accord Type-R. I miss that car everyday and anybody who wants to experience a true Type-R should drive one.

Nelly023 said:

Whilst i don't disagree with much of the sentiment i think you should check the Civic Type R options list as you won't find a sunroof.

I've just got a new shape Civic Type R and there's no question it's slightly flawed and previous model was more 'R' like. In my view the new version is a fairly good compromise for me on the basis of a 60 mile daily commute.

Austin3000 said:

I really like the looks of new shape Civic Type-r but I hate the fact its heavier and slower than the old one, bit of a step backwards IMO.

If mugen can lighten the car (considerably), give it an LSD and bump the power up then I would love one.

Honda totally sold out with the new Type-R and its just a badge now in this country. I mean come on, dual zone climate control, sunroof and large heavy wheels...what is "Racing" about that?

IMO the Accord Type-R was the last true Type-R we (offically) had over here and that Mugen RR on 5th Gear the other night reminded me an awful lot of that car, especially the big spoiler, dual exhausts and the sound inside. I would live to see an on track comparison of those two!

Also, what happened to that S2000 Type-r with a fixed hardtop Honda were supose to be bringing out?

"Diffucult is worth doing"...well f * cking do it then and build what the people want!

[slayaz]

jaystyle said:

Is it Just me or is it abit ugly? Reckon the standard type R looks better. Besides, 5 doors are for mums and old people.

I'm not old or a mum. I am a dad, so 5 doors works great.

I like it, and it would be nice ot see Mugen over here. I'm also sure it would be fun.

For the money, sure there is things i'd have in preference, but if money was no object it would look good in my collection.

[Drop Test b3nxj]

slayaz said:

it would be nice ot see Mugen over here.

Mugen have had a uk base for just over 12 months

[vz-r_dave]

havoc said:

vz-r_dave said:

The standard FD2 is just as quick as the the S2000 if not faster on some tracks.

It might well be. But:-
- It's still got 8 years of suspension tech advances over the S2000
- It's a hard-top so will be stiffer giving more opportunities re: suspension
- It's a Type-R - they're the hardcore stuff. The S2000 was never intended to be a Type-R level of car.
- What rubber is it running on?

Moreover:-
- WGAF about lap times?!? I drive a DC2 and an S2000, when I could have bought an E46 M3 or any number of uber-quick cars - I bought them because I like the difference and the involvement and they're quick enough for me.

All this st about lap-times and which is quicker is just people being sucked-in by marketing speak. INVOLVEMENT matters more IMHO.


(Oh...and I actually like the FD2...am trying to persuade the missus to test-drive one...which would make our 'fleet' rather an interesting set!!! )

Ive got a DC2 myself so I completely understand the R concept. The S2000 might be old technology but you would still expect the S2K to be quicker.

Lap times are the only way to compare a cars performance, thats the reason you find laptimes involved in most conversations. (we are not comparing our opinions on the cars performance)

I am pretty sure the FD2 has alot of driver involvment as much the DC2. I want one.

[havoc]

vz-r_dave said:

The S2000 might be old technology but you would still expect the S2K to be quicker.

Lap times are the only way to compare a cars performance, thats the reason you find laptimes involved in most conversations. (we are not comparing our opinions on the cars performance)

I am pretty sure the FD2 has alot of driver involvment as much the DC2. I want one.

The S2000 WAS quicker than the EP3, IS quicker than the FN2, and isn't far adrift from the stock FD2, which isn't bad going for a car launched in 1999 and largely unchanged ("suspension changes" amount to spring and damper rates and geometry changes largely, and the newer rubber isn't as sticky as the original bespoke S02's).

Lap times - rubbish. All that does is tells you how it performs at the limit on smooth tarmac with big run-off areas. I couldn't give a monkeys about lap-times, only how it drives and how it behaves on UK roads, which is very different.

Driver involvement - apparently so, hence why I want to drive one too...

[danrc]

Ewwwwwwwwwww thats looks ugly as hell.

[Get Karter]

havoc said:

Lap times - rubbish. All that does is tells you how it performs at the limit on smooth tarmac with big run-off areas. I couldn't give a monkeys about lap-times, only how it drives and how it behaves on UK roads, which is very different.

I agree in a way. My EP3 is ordinary on British roads, but extraordinary on British tracks.

It helps that I bought a non-aircon model, and put the money saved towards an LSD, Tein Flex and front and rear camber adjusters.....oh, and a Kpro

[WorAl]

Looks crap and, if, by me experience is the same as or similar to the older CTR, is Crap....nuff said

Edited by WorAl on Thursday 4th September 13:57

[vz-r_dave]

WorAl said:

Looks crap and, if, by me experience is the same as or similar to the older CTR, is Crap....nuff said

Edited by WorAl on Thursday 4th September 13:57

and you drive??